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Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship nossy Send a noteboard - 27/07/2012 05:01:37 PM

I see no room to argue about whether or not it is censorship and this in effect what you argued when you claimed no one was trying to silence since that is what censorship is. If pointing that out is offense then my only defense is I am offended by censorship and more offended by trying to give it a new coat of paint and then asking everyone to believe it is something else.

No, i did not argue that. I do think she is being censored, but our disagreement is that I think it is acceptable. I'm sorry, but she should have known that "joking" about a deadly virus being well fed with all the Africans around is a stupid, stupid thing to say, especially if she wanted to be on the team. There are codes of action, and this is one of them. She should have to abide by that if she wants to be included. The other athletes are going around following the acceptable behavior, and so should she. I would like to walk in and call my boss an ass, but I can't do that either. Is that incorrect censorship, or is that me breaking the workplace rules?

You argued that none is telling her to silent and I guess if you look at it narrowly enough that may be true but they are certainly trying to send the message that everyone else needs to keep their mouths shut or suffer the same fate. This isn’t a mild rebuke, the woman has worked her whole trying to compete in these games and she is being denied that because some bureaucrats took offense to an off color joke and her politcial party.

And how did she not know that could happen? I do not believe she had no idea she could be punished. She has to take responsibility for that, IMO.

I see lots of mention of that political party and that certainly smacks of political motivation behind the censorship. I don’t know anything about this party she belongs to except that it has been called far right but one of two things are true. Either the party is more KKK than it is Tea Party and they promote hate and violence in which case sheshould have been banned regardless of the joke or it is a party that objects to having Greece over run by African immigrants in which case she has a right to that opinion regardless of the politics of the committee members and it is highly in inappropriate for them to bring her political beliefs into the discussion.

I don't really disagree with that, but a case could be made that says she used fame she has gained by qualifying for the Olympics to get her words out there, and that that platform should have the right to distance itself from any sort of unfavorable political statements. Would we be talking about this at all if she weren't famous BECAUSE of the Olympics?

I do think there are times when censorship is required but I also believe we need to always keep that as far towards acceptance as possible. Banning someone from the Olympics for a tweeting an unfunny off color joke falls well short of that. If what she said offends people let that hurt with the lack of endorsements but don’t have a small unelected body say she is unworthy of representing her country because of a joke and her political party. That is blatant censorship and not the necessary evil sort of censorship but the sort that requires group think and suppresses the free exchange of idea.

See above. I do think they have the right not to let her use them to say something they oppose. She can say it elsewhere, and should have waited to share these things if she wanted to be a part of their team.

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Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics? Tom - 25/07/2012 10:55:19 PM 1323 Views

Being on a country's Olympic team is a privilege, not a right Dark Knight - 25/07/2012 11:00:24 PM 810 Views

So banning blacks would be cool if it was legal in that country? Cannoli - 25/07/2012 11:08:52 PM 969 Views

If that's how the country wants to run itself Dark Knight - 25/07/2012 11:13:04 PM 842 Views

The IOC can ban nations from participating for that sort of stunt. Legolas - 25/07/2012 11:33:23 PM 992 Views

So that excuses thought control? Tom - 25/07/2012 11:49:58 PM 895 Views

If Hitler could let Jesse Owens run... Cannoli - 25/07/2012 11:07:19 PM 1033 Views

Yes. Political power should not be used to enforce morals. Tom - 25/07/2012 11:53:19 PM 774 Views

The national Olympic Committees aren't the government. Legolas - 26/07/2012 12:02:43 AM 758 Views

Even worse. Tom - 26/07/2012 12:08:05 AM 802 Views

Erm snoopcester - 26/07/2012 12:29:32 AM 839 Views

I fail to see how the whole team would be thrown out. Tom - 26/07/2012 12:41:16 AM 835 Views

Because the IOC throws them out if the national government interferes in the national committe. *NM* snoopcester - 26/07/2012 12:43:39 AM 445 Views

Well, that's absurd. Tom - 26/07/2012 01:09:41 AM 914 Views

As with most things, I doubt the practice matches the theory snoopcester - 26/07/2012 10:45:55 AM 813 Views

Africans != illegals Tim - 25/07/2012 11:19:32 PM 871 Views

Specious reasoning. Tom - 26/07/2012 12:07:08 AM 737 Views

Who are you to decide that? Legolas - 26/07/2012 12:16:45 AM 901 Views

I'm not the one deciding. Tom - 26/07/2012 12:36:17 AM 734 Views

Essentially you're saying "there are lots of racists in Europe". Tim - 26/07/2012 08:28:26 AM 856 Views

That's an oversimplification. Tom - 29/07/2012 03:13:14 AM 806 Views

You stated it as a fact. Legolas - 26/07/2012 07:49:58 PM 794 Views

Well, it is a fact that a north African could never become ethnically Greek. Tom - 29/07/2012 03:27:50 AM 876 Views

I think any organisation should have the right to choose who represents them snoopcester - 25/07/2012 11:20:36 PM 812 Views

Well, but that's not the end of it. Tom - 26/07/2012 12:12:09 AM 875 Views

It is for me snoopcester - 26/07/2012 12:26:25 AM 785 Views

So...conformity ahead? *NM* Tom - 26/07/2012 12:40:03 AM 384 Views

Athletes taking responsibility for their own actions, if that is what you mean. snoopcester - 26/07/2012 12:44:56 AM 935 Views

Is that all that happened? nossy - 25/07/2012 11:28:17 PM 749 Views

That and some pro-Golden Dawn statements. Tom - 26/07/2012 12:14:25 AM 939 Views

For me it is more than enough snoopcester - 26/07/2012 12:32:35 AM 724 Views

I thought the original ideals of the Olympics were to honor Zeus. *NM* Tom - 26/07/2012 12:38:32 AM 502 Views

I view the long dead Greek Olympics as seperate, despite the shared name, from the modern Olympics *NM* snoopcester - 26/07/2012 12:42:18 AM 401 Views

It's not what happened to her that I typically waver on. nossy - 27/07/2012 03:08:45 PM 762 Views

Difficult question - if you ask me, the key point is a question of authority. Legolas - 25/07/2012 11:40:39 PM 844 Views

I just googled "What did Voula Papachristou say?" and got that. Tom - 26/07/2012 12:16:53 AM 885 Views

Well it seems a bit of an over-reaction, and I doubt the purity of motives of those doing it, but... Isaac - 26/07/2012 01:49:35 AM 739 Views

Re: Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics? Great Lord of Chaos - 26/07/2012 11:14:39 AM 1154 Views

I'm going to boycott by turning off the Olympics and watching Michelle Jenneke nonstop instead. *NM* everynametaken - 26/07/2012 09:02:59 PM 441 Views

It's not a matter of freedom of expression DomA - 26/07/2012 09:49:59 PM 943 Views

This. *NM* ironclad - 26/07/2012 10:26:37 PM 404 Views

I oppose censorship even if it is not comng from the government random thoughts - 26/07/2012 10:16:30 PM 782 Views

How is it censorship? DomA - 27/07/2012 02:33:30 AM 886 Views

try looking up the word censorship and ask yourself would their actions supress speech random thoughts - 27/07/2012 02:59:11 AM 1014 Views

I know the definition thank you. How exactly was her communication suppressed? DomA - 27/07/2012 05:54:39 PM 909 Views

you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression random thoughts - 27/07/2012 06:20:15 PM 1031 Views

Well nossy - 27/07/2012 07:20:27 PM 783 Views

Where did she ever imply she wanted them to be bitten? *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2012 08:03:05 PM 462 Views

Hello earth.... "food from home". DomA - 27/07/2012 08:26:15 PM 763 Views

OK I repeat my question: Where did she she WANTED them to be bit? random thoughts - 30/07/2012 09:07:01 PM 1080 Views

Um, she referred to them as food? nossy - 27/07/2012 08:38:22 PM 813 Views

No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM* random thoughts - 30/07/2012 09:09:18 PM 518 Views

No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM* random thoughts - 30/07/2012 09:09:27 PM 427 Views

I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten. Legolas - 27/07/2012 09:02:05 PM 838 Views

Re: I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten. DomA - 27/07/2012 09:32:56 PM 893 Views

Do you have to go to special schools to learn how to read that much into dumb jokes? random thoughts - 30/07/2012 09:57:21 PM 907 Views

It was insensitive at best random thoughts - 30/07/2012 09:25:06 PM 1290 Views

Re: you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression DomA - 27/07/2012 08:30:26 PM 775 Views

One problem. nossy - 27/07/2012 04:54:52 AM 789 Views

Exactly ironclad - 27/07/2012 12:05:14 PM 790 Views

where do you people get these backasswards idea of what censorship is? PCmart? random thoughts - 27/07/2012 02:01:29 PM 850 Views

We can have this conversation w/o you being mean. nossy - 27/07/2012 02:57:02 PM 795 Views

I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship random thoughts - 27/07/2012 04:18:54 PM 899 Views

Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship nossy - 27/07/2012 05:01:37 PM 815 Views

OK did I miss read what you said? random thoughts - 27/07/2012 06:41:51 PM 954 Views

No, but the disagreement is important. nossy - 27/07/2012 07:09:11 PM 797 Views

Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship DomA - 27/07/2012 06:23:17 PM 737 Views

sorry I forgot the Olympic spirit was about banning athletes for dumb jokes they apologized for random thoughts - 27/07/2012 08:30:08 PM 724 Views

You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together. Legolas - 27/07/2012 08:59:35 PM 757 Views

Re: You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together. DomA - 27/07/2012 09:18:08 PM 827 Views

I know who did the banning but the whole organization seems to infested with a certain flavor of PC random thoughts - 30/07/2012 10:11:26 PM 903 Views

Re: sorry I forgot the Olympic spirit was about banning athletes for dumb jokes they apologized for DomA - 27/07/2012 09:01:07 PM 755 Views

I know you said it but do you actually believe it? random thoughts - 27/07/2012 01:56:35 PM 768 Views

It's a good question, but yes, I do. nossy - 27/07/2012 02:42:28 PM 813 Views

Are going to ban everyone and everyone country who says something about anyone else? random thoughts - 27/07/2012 04:47:51 PM 729 Views

Yes, that is clearly exactly what I said. nossy - 27/07/2012 05:10:37 PM 775 Views

i have a feeling you are being influenced by that pic they run with all the articles about her?

moondog - 27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM 789 Views

Surely you don't think... Isaac - 27/07/2012 02:57:47 PM 702 Views

Heh.

Rebekah - 27/07/2012 05:53:07 PM 939 Views

Typo? There are limits to our credulity... or to mine, anyway. Legolas - 27/07/2012 06:27:44 PM 787 Views

I can honestly say I would not care as much if she were a man and/or ugly Tom - 29/07/2012 03:29:47 AM 882 Views

Looks like Voula Papachristou agrees with Tom Dark Knight - 27/07/2012 07:09:30 PM 814 Views

Quite understandable. But so's the Greek OC's decision. Legolas - 27/07/2012 07:11:31 PM 820 Views

And now a Swiss footabller has gone as well snoopcester - 30/07/2012 08:22:45 PM 833 Views

That's just poor sportsmanship. *NM* Tom - 30/07/2012 08:53:53 PM 523 Views

And now the next incident... this time about an athlete's partner, not the athlete herself. Legolas - 03/08/2012 09:47:27 PM 882 Views

And an Australian athlete has been sent home now snoopcester - 04/08/2012 10:12:12 AM 656 Views

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<quote id="256574">I see no room to argue about whether or not it is censorship and this in effect what you argued when you claimed no one was trying to silence since that is what censorship is. If pointing that out is offense then my only defense is I am offended by censorship and more offended by trying to give it a new coat of paint and then asking everyone to believe it is something else.   </quote>
No, i did not argue that. I do think she is being censored, but our disagreement is that I think it is acceptable. I'm sorry, but she should have known that "joking" about a deadly virus being well fed with all the Africans around is a stupid, stupid thing to say, especially if she wanted to be on the team. There are codes of action, and this is one of them. She should have to abide by that if she wants to be included. The other athletes are going around following the acceptable behavior, and so should she. I would like to walk in and call my boss an ass, but I can't do that either. Is that incorrect censorship, or is that me breaking the workplace rules?

<quote id="256574">You argued that none is telling her to silent and I guess if you look at it narrowly enough that may be true but they are certainly trying to send the message that everyone else needs to keep their mouths shut or suffer the same fate.  This isn’t a mild rebuke, the woman has worked her whole trying to compete in these games and she is being denied that because some bureaucrats took offense to an off color joke and her politcial party.  </quote>
And how did she not know that could happen?  I do not believe she had no idea she could be punished. She has to take responsibility for that, IMO.

<quote id="256574">I see lots of mention of that political party and that certainly smacks of political motivation behind the censorship.  I don’t know anything about this party she belongs to except that it has been called far right but one of two things are true. Either the party is more KKK than it is Tea Party and they promote hate and violence in which case sheshould have been banned regardless of the joke or it is a party that objects to having Greece over run by African immigrants in which case she has a right to that opinion regardless of the politics of the committee members and it is highly in inappropriate for them to bring her political beliefs into the discussion.</quote>
I don't really disagree with that, but a case could be made that says she used fame she has gained by qualifying for the Olympics to get her words out there, and that that platform should have the right to distance itself from any sort of unfavorable political statements.  Would we be talking about this at all if she weren't famous BECAUSE of the Olympics?

<quote id="256574">I do think there are times when censorship is required but I also believe we need to always keep that as far towards acceptance as possible. Banning someone from the Olympics for a tweeting an unfunny off color joke falls well short of that. If what she said offends people let that hurt with the lack of endorsements but don’t have a small unelected body say she is unworthy of representing her country because of a joke and her political party.  That is blatant censorship and not the necessary evil sort of censorship but the sort that requires group think and suppresses the free exchange of idea.  </quote>
See above. I do think they have the right not to let her use them to say something they oppose. She can say it elsewhere, and should have waited to share these things if she wanted to be a part of their team. 
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