Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
nossy Send a noteboard - 27/07/2012 05:01:37 PM
I see no room to argue about whether or not it is censorship and this in effect what you argued when you claimed no one was trying to silence since that is what censorship is. If pointing that out is offense then my only defense is I am offended by censorship and more offended by trying to give it a new coat of paint and then asking everyone to believe it is something else.
No, i did not argue that. I do think she is being censored, but our disagreement is that I think it is acceptable. I'm sorry, but she should have known that "joking" about a deadly virus being well fed with all the Africans around is a stupid, stupid thing to say, especially if she wanted to be on the team. There are codes of action, and this is one of them. She should have to abide by that if she wants to be included. The other athletes are going around following the acceptable behavior, and so should she. I would like to walk in and call my boss an ass, but I can't do that either. Is that incorrect censorship, or is that me breaking the workplace rules?
You argued that none is telling her to silent and I guess if you look at it narrowly enough that may be true but they are certainly trying to send the message that everyone else needs to keep their mouths shut or suffer the same fate. This isn’t a mild rebuke, the woman has worked her whole trying to compete in these games and she is being denied that because some bureaucrats took offense to an off color joke and her politcial party.
And how did she not know that could happen? I do not believe she had no idea she could be punished. She has to take responsibility for that, IMO.
I see lots of mention of that political party and that certainly smacks of political motivation behind the censorship. I don’t know anything about this party she belongs to except that it has been called far right but one of two things are true. Either the party is more KKK than it is Tea Party and they promote hate and violence in which case sheshould have been banned regardless of the joke or it is a party that objects to having Greece over run by African immigrants in which case she has a right to that opinion regardless of the politics of the committee members and it is highly in inappropriate for them to bring her political beliefs into the discussion.
I don't really disagree with that, but a case could be made that says she used fame she has gained by qualifying for the Olympics to get her words out there, and that that platform should have the right to distance itself from any sort of unfavorable political statements. Would we be talking about this at all if she weren't famous BECAUSE of the Olympics?
I do think there are times when censorship is required but I also believe we need to always keep that as far towards acceptance as possible. Banning someone from the Olympics for a tweeting an unfunny off color joke falls well short of that. If what she said offends people let that hurt with the lack of endorsements but don’t have a small unelected body say she is unworthy of representing her country because of a joke and her political party. That is blatant censorship and not the necessary evil sort of censorship but the sort that requires group think and suppresses the free exchange of idea.
See above. I do think they have the right not to let her use them to say something they oppose. She can say it elsewhere, and should have waited to share these things if she wanted to be a part of their team.
Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics?
25/07/2012 10:55:19 PM
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Being on a country's Olympic team is a privilege, not a right
25/07/2012 11:00:24 PM
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So banning blacks would be cool if it was legal in that country?
25/07/2012 11:08:52 PM
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The IOC can ban nations from participating for that sort of stunt.
25/07/2012 11:33:23 PM
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If Hitler could let Jesse Owens run...
25/07/2012 11:07:19 PM
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Yes. Political power should not be used to enforce morals.
25/07/2012 11:53:19 PM
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The national Olympic Committees aren't the government.
26/07/2012 12:02:43 AM
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Even worse.
26/07/2012 12:08:05 AM
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Erm
26/07/2012 12:29:32 AM
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I fail to see how the whole team would be thrown out.
26/07/2012 12:41:16 AM
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Because the IOC throws them out if the national government interferes in the national committe. *NM*
26/07/2012 12:43:39 AM
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Africans != illegals
25/07/2012 11:19:32 PM
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Specious reasoning.
26/07/2012 12:07:08 AM
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Who are you to decide that?
26/07/2012 12:16:45 AM
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I'm not the one deciding.
26/07/2012 12:36:17 AM
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You stated it as a fact.
26/07/2012 07:49:58 PM
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Well, it is a fact that a north African could never become ethnically Greek.
29/07/2012 03:27:50 AM
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I think any organisation should have the right to choose who represents them
25/07/2012 11:20:36 PM
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Well, but that's not the end of it.
26/07/2012 12:12:09 AM
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It is for me
26/07/2012 12:26:25 AM
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So...conformity ahead? *NM*
26/07/2012 12:40:03 AM
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Athletes taking responsibility for their own actions, if that is what you mean.
26/07/2012 12:44:56 AM
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Is that all that happened?
25/07/2012 11:28:17 PM
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For me it is more than enough
26/07/2012 12:32:35 AM
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I thought the original ideals of the Olympics were to honor Zeus. *NM*
26/07/2012 12:38:32 AM
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I view the long dead Greek Olympics as seperate, despite the shared name, from the modern Olympics *NM*
26/07/2012 12:42:18 AM
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Difficult question - if you ask me, the key point is a question of authority.
25/07/2012 11:40:39 PM
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Well it seems a bit of an over-reaction, and I doubt the purity of motives of those doing it, but...
26/07/2012 01:49:35 AM
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Re: Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics?
26/07/2012 11:14:39 AM
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I'm going to boycott by turning off the Olympics and watching Michelle Jenneke nonstop instead. *NM*
26/07/2012 09:02:59 PM
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I oppose censorship even if it is not comng from the government
26/07/2012 10:16:30 PM
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How is it censorship?
27/07/2012 02:33:30 AM
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try looking up the word censorship and ask yourself would their actions supress speech
27/07/2012 02:59:11 AM
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I know the definition thank you. How exactly was her communication suppressed?
27/07/2012 05:54:39 PM
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you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression
27/07/2012 06:20:15 PM
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Well
27/07/2012 07:20:27 PM
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Where did she ever imply she wanted them to be bitten? *NM*
27/07/2012 08:03:05 PM
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Hello earth.... "food from home".
27/07/2012 08:26:15 PM
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OK I repeat my question: Where did she she WANTED them to be bit?
30/07/2012 09:07:01 PM
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Um, she referred to them as food?
27/07/2012 08:38:22 PM
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No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM*
30/07/2012 09:09:18 PM
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No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM*
30/07/2012 09:09:27 PM
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I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten.
27/07/2012 09:02:05 PM
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Re: I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten.
27/07/2012 09:32:56 PM
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Do you have to go to special schools to learn how to read that much into dumb jokes?
30/07/2012 09:57:21 PM
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Re: you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression
27/07/2012 08:30:26 PM
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One problem.
27/07/2012 04:54:52 AM
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Exactly
27/07/2012 12:05:14 PM
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where do you people get these backasswards idea of what censorship is? PCmart?
27/07/2012 02:01:29 PM
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We can have this conversation w/o you being mean.
27/07/2012 02:57:02 PM
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I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
27/07/2012 04:18:54 PM
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Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
27/07/2012 05:01:37 PM
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Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
27/07/2012 06:23:17 PM
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sorry I forgot the Olympic spirit was about banning athletes for dumb jokes they apologized for
27/07/2012 08:30:08 PM
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You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together.
27/07/2012 08:59:35 PM
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Re: You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together.
27/07/2012 09:18:08 PM
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I know who did the banning but the whole organization seems to infested with a certain flavor of PC
30/07/2012 10:11:26 PM
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Re: sorry I forgot the Olympic spirit was about banning athletes for dumb jokes they apologized for
27/07/2012 09:01:07 PM
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I know you said it but do you actually believe it?
27/07/2012 01:56:35 PM
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It's a good question, but yes, I do.
27/07/2012 02:42:28 PM
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Are going to ban everyone and everyone country who says something about anyone else?
27/07/2012 04:47:51 PM
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i have a feeling you are being influenced by that pic they run with all the articles about her?
27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM
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Surely you don't think...
27/07/2012 02:57:47 PM
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I can honestly say I would not care as much if she were a man and/or ugly
29/07/2012 03:29:47 AM
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And now the next incident... this time about an athlete's partner, not the athlete herself.
03/08/2012 09:47:27 PM
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