You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 27/07/2012 08:59:35 PM
The IOC is one thing. The Greek OC is another thing. They both have their priorities, their history, and their reputation to think about, and based on that they take decisions that may or may not align. This would have been an entirely different story if the IOC - the organization that can actually be blamed for the things you list in that paragraph - had been the one to pronounce the ban. But it wasn't. The Greek OC took this decision - plenty of OCs in other countries wouldn't have, that's for sure, and the IOC's not stupid enough that they'd have done it themselves. No doubt part of the Greek OC's motivation was their view of the Olympic spirit and racism not belonging on the Games; and no doubt another part was simply that they wanted to protect Greece's reputation, which right now is in a dubious state both in general and more specifically in sports (having two of their biggest Athens 2004 heroes stripped of their medals for doping was painful to say the least, and Athens 2004 is rapidly becoming proverbial for how disastrous Olympics can be when you do them wrong).
I actually agree with you, but as long as selection or non-selection is up to the national OCs, I think this decision was inevitable under the circumstances. Which is one of the reasons why I don't think it should be up to the national OCs.
Yes, but if they hadn't banned her they'd have had far more people thinking bad of them.
Sorry but this PC run amok and this young lady should not have all her hard work sacrificed on the altar of false tolerance. The whole “I tolerate anything but intolerance argument is one of the dumbest arguments I have seen intelligent people make.
I actually agree with you, but as long as selection or non-selection is up to the national OCs, I think this decision was inevitable under the circumstances. Which is one of the reasons why I don't think it should be up to the national OCs.
I guess you can make the argument that the Greeks have the right to ban anyone they choose but by the same token I have the right to point out that they are small minded morons how have no tolerance for people who don't toe the line on political opinion. It is a two edged sword you know.
Yes, but if they hadn't banned her they'd have had far more people thinking bad of them.
This message last edited by Legolas on 27/07/2012 at 08:59:54 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics?
- 25/07/2012 10:55:19 PM
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Being on a country's Olympic team is a privilege, not a right
- 25/07/2012 11:00:24 PM
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So banning blacks would be cool if it was legal in that country?
- 25/07/2012 11:08:52 PM
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The IOC can ban nations from participating for that sort of stunt.
- 25/07/2012 11:33:23 PM
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If Hitler could let Jesse Owens run...
- 25/07/2012 11:07:19 PM
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Yes. Political power should not be used to enforce morals.
- 25/07/2012 11:53:19 PM
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The national Olympic Committees aren't the government.
- 26/07/2012 12:02:43 AM
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Even worse.
- 26/07/2012 12:08:05 AM
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Erm
- 26/07/2012 12:29:32 AM
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I fail to see how the whole team would be thrown out.
- 26/07/2012 12:41:16 AM
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Because the IOC throws them out if the national government interferes in the national committe. *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:43:39 AM
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Africans != illegals
- 25/07/2012 11:19:32 PM
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Specious reasoning.
- 26/07/2012 12:07:08 AM
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Who are you to decide that?
- 26/07/2012 12:16:45 AM
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I'm not the one deciding.
- 26/07/2012 12:36:17 AM
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You stated it as a fact.
- 26/07/2012 07:49:58 PM
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Well, it is a fact that a north African could never become ethnically Greek.
- 29/07/2012 03:27:50 AM
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I think any organisation should have the right to choose who represents them
- 25/07/2012 11:20:36 PM
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Well, but that's not the end of it.
- 26/07/2012 12:12:09 AM
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It is for me
- 26/07/2012 12:26:25 AM
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So...conformity ahead? *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:40:03 AM
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Athletes taking responsibility for their own actions, if that is what you mean.
- 26/07/2012 12:44:56 AM
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Is that all that happened?
- 25/07/2012 11:28:17 PM
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For me it is more than enough
- 26/07/2012 12:32:35 AM
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I thought the original ideals of the Olympics were to honor Zeus. *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:38:32 AM
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I view the long dead Greek Olympics as seperate, despite the shared name, from the modern Olympics *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:42:18 AM
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Difficult question - if you ask me, the key point is a question of authority.
- 25/07/2012 11:40:39 PM
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Well it seems a bit of an over-reaction, and I doubt the purity of motives of those doing it, but...
- 26/07/2012 01:49:35 AM
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Re: Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics?
- 26/07/2012 11:14:39 AM
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I'm going to boycott by turning off the Olympics and watching Michelle Jenneke nonstop instead. *NM*
- 26/07/2012 09:02:59 PM
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I oppose censorship even if it is not comng from the government
- 26/07/2012 10:16:30 PM
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How is it censorship?
- 27/07/2012 02:33:30 AM
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try looking up the word censorship and ask yourself would their actions supress speech
- 27/07/2012 02:59:11 AM
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I know the definition thank you. How exactly was her communication suppressed?
- 27/07/2012 05:54:39 PM
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you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression
- 27/07/2012 06:20:15 PM
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Well
- 27/07/2012 07:20:27 PM
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Where did she ever imply she wanted them to be bitten? *NM*
- 27/07/2012 08:03:05 PM
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Hello earth.... "food from home".
- 27/07/2012 08:26:15 PM
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OK I repeat my question: Where did she she WANTED them to be bit?
- 30/07/2012 09:07:01 PM
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Um, she referred to them as food?
- 27/07/2012 08:38:22 PM
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No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM*
- 30/07/2012 09:09:18 PM
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No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM*
- 30/07/2012 09:09:27 PM
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I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten.
- 27/07/2012 09:02:05 PM
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Re: I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten.
- 27/07/2012 09:32:56 PM
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Do you have to go to special schools to learn how to read that much into dumb jokes?
- 30/07/2012 09:57:21 PM
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Re: you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression
- 27/07/2012 08:30:26 PM
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One problem.
- 27/07/2012 04:54:52 AM
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Exactly
- 27/07/2012 12:05:14 PM
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where do you people get these backasswards idea of what censorship is? PCmart?
- 27/07/2012 02:01:29 PM
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We can have this conversation w/o you being mean.
- 27/07/2012 02:57:02 PM
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I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
- 27/07/2012 04:18:54 PM
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Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
- 27/07/2012 05:01:37 PM
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Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
- 27/07/2012 06:23:17 PM
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sorry I forgot the Olympic spirit was about banning athletes for dumb jokes they apologized for
- 27/07/2012 08:30:08 PM
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You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together.
- 27/07/2012 08:59:35 PM
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Re: You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together.
- 27/07/2012 09:18:08 PM
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I know who did the banning but the whole organization seems to infested with a certain flavor of PC
- 30/07/2012 10:11:26 PM
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Re: sorry I forgot the Olympic spirit was about banning athletes for dumb jokes they apologized for
- 27/07/2012 09:01:07 PM
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I know you said it but do you actually believe it?
- 27/07/2012 01:56:35 PM
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It's a good question, but yes, I do.
- 27/07/2012 02:42:28 PM
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Are going to ban everyone and everyone country who says something about anyone else?
- 27/07/2012 04:47:51 PM
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i have a feeling you are being influenced by that pic they run with all the articles about her?
- 27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM
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- 27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM
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Surely you don't think...
- 27/07/2012 02:57:47 PM
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I can honestly say I would not care as much if she were a man and/or ugly
- 29/07/2012 03:29:47 AM
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And now the next incident... this time about an athlete's partner, not the athlete herself.
- 03/08/2012 09:47:27 PM
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