Well, it is a fact that a north African could never become ethnically Greek.
Tom Send a noteboard - 29/07/2012 03:27:50 AM
If I saw an ethnically Chinese or African person who said they were Greek, I would ask, "where do your ancestors originally come from?" because it's clear that they weren't plying the Aegean in the days of Homer, running amphorae of olive oil from Samos to Corinth. Ethnicity and nationality are two distinct categories that in the modern world are frequently confused or conflated. Someone can become a Greek national but not a Greek. This was the point of the article in The Economist.
In Russia, for example, where ethnicity is a required line in a person's passport, the term российский (rossiyskiy) is used to denote Russian nationality, and русский (russkiy) to determine ethnicity. Thus, a Chechen in the Russian Federation can be considered as гражданин Российской Федерации (grazhdanin Rossiyskoy Federatsii, a citizen of the Russian Federation) but never, no matter what he does, will he ever be listed as русский in his passport because that is an ethnic classification. The same thing holds true in Kazakhstan, where one can be a Kazakhstani citizen but not a Kazakh (unless one has been so since birth by accident of ethnicity).
Not only that, but other than some extreme exceptions, I doubt that most of the recent immigrants to Greece are Orthodox Christians, or drink ouzo, or can dance the sirtaki, or know how to cook traditional Greek dishes, or could cite lines from classical Greek literature or the Byzantine period, or understand most of the cultural mosaic that Greek culture has passed on from generation to generation. It is entirely possible that their children might become more Greek, and that their grandchildren will be totally assimilated, but it is not a necessary conclusion.
Holding a passport without any connection to the culture and people of a nation creates a valid basis to question the propriety of allowing such an individual into a nation in the first place. While not all immigrants fall into this category, I suspect there are enough economic immigrants in Europe generally to help create animosity, particularly if the failure to assimilate is plain to see and brazen.
In Russia, for example, where ethnicity is a required line in a person's passport, the term российский (rossiyskiy) is used to denote Russian nationality, and русский (russkiy) to determine ethnicity. Thus, a Chechen in the Russian Federation can be considered as гражданин Российской Федерации (grazhdanin Rossiyskoy Federatsii, a citizen of the Russian Federation) but never, no matter what he does, will he ever be listed as русский in his passport because that is an ethnic classification. The same thing holds true in Kazakhstan, where one can be a Kazakhstani citizen but not a Kazakh (unless one has been so since birth by accident of ethnicity).
Not only that, but other than some extreme exceptions, I doubt that most of the recent immigrants to Greece are Orthodox Christians, or drink ouzo, or can dance the sirtaki, or know how to cook traditional Greek dishes, or could cite lines from classical Greek literature or the Byzantine period, or understand most of the cultural mosaic that Greek culture has passed on from generation to generation. It is entirely possible that their children might become more Greek, and that their grandchildren will be totally assimilated, but it is not a necessary conclusion.
Holding a passport without any connection to the culture and people of a nation creates a valid basis to question the propriety of allowing such an individual into a nation in the first place. While not all immigrants fall into this category, I suspect there are enough economic immigrants in Europe generally to help create animosity, particularly if the failure to assimilate is plain to see and brazen.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics?
- 25/07/2012 10:55:19 PM
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Being on a country's Olympic team is a privilege, not a right
- 25/07/2012 11:00:24 PM
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So banning blacks would be cool if it was legal in that country?
- 25/07/2012 11:08:52 PM
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The IOC can ban nations from participating for that sort of stunt.
- 25/07/2012 11:33:23 PM
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If Hitler could let Jesse Owens run...
- 25/07/2012 11:07:19 PM
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Yes. Political power should not be used to enforce morals.
- 25/07/2012 11:53:19 PM
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The national Olympic Committees aren't the government.
- 26/07/2012 12:02:43 AM
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Even worse.
- 26/07/2012 12:08:05 AM
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Erm
- 26/07/2012 12:29:32 AM
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I fail to see how the whole team would be thrown out.
- 26/07/2012 12:41:16 AM
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Because the IOC throws them out if the national government interferes in the national committe. *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:43:39 AM
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Africans != illegals
- 25/07/2012 11:19:32 PM
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Specious reasoning.
- 26/07/2012 12:07:08 AM
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Who are you to decide that?
- 26/07/2012 12:16:45 AM
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I'm not the one deciding.
- 26/07/2012 12:36:17 AM
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You stated it as a fact.
- 26/07/2012 07:49:58 PM
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Well, it is a fact that a north African could never become ethnically Greek.
- 29/07/2012 03:27:50 AM
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I think any organisation should have the right to choose who represents them
- 25/07/2012 11:20:36 PM
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Well, but that's not the end of it.
- 26/07/2012 12:12:09 AM
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It is for me
- 26/07/2012 12:26:25 AM
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So...conformity ahead? *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:40:03 AM
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Athletes taking responsibility for their own actions, if that is what you mean.
- 26/07/2012 12:44:56 AM
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Is that all that happened?
- 25/07/2012 11:28:17 PM
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For me it is more than enough
- 26/07/2012 12:32:35 AM
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I thought the original ideals of the Olympics were to honor Zeus. *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:38:32 AM
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I view the long dead Greek Olympics as seperate, despite the shared name, from the modern Olympics *NM*
- 26/07/2012 12:42:18 AM
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Difficult question - if you ask me, the key point is a question of authority.
- 25/07/2012 11:40:39 PM
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Well it seems a bit of an over-reaction, and I doubt the purity of motives of those doing it, but...
- 26/07/2012 01:49:35 AM
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Re: Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics?
- 26/07/2012 11:14:39 AM
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I'm going to boycott by turning off the Olympics and watching Michelle Jenneke nonstop instead. *NM*
- 26/07/2012 09:02:59 PM
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I oppose censorship even if it is not comng from the government
- 26/07/2012 10:16:30 PM
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How is it censorship?
- 27/07/2012 02:33:30 AM
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try looking up the word censorship and ask yourself would their actions supress speech
- 27/07/2012 02:59:11 AM
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I know the definition thank you. How exactly was her communication suppressed?
- 27/07/2012 05:54:39 PM
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you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression
- 27/07/2012 06:20:15 PM
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Well
- 27/07/2012 07:20:27 PM
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Where did she ever imply she wanted them to be bitten? *NM*
- 27/07/2012 08:03:05 PM
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Hello earth.... "food from home".
- 27/07/2012 08:26:15 PM
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OK I repeat my question: Where did she she WANTED them to be bit?
- 30/07/2012 09:07:01 PM
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Um, she referred to them as food?
- 27/07/2012 08:38:22 PM
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No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM*
- 30/07/2012 09:09:18 PM
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No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM*
- 30/07/2012 09:09:27 PM
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I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten.
- 27/07/2012 09:02:05 PM
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Re: I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten.
- 27/07/2012 09:32:56 PM
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Do you have to go to special schools to learn how to read that much into dumb jokes?
- 30/07/2012 09:57:21 PM
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Re: you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression
- 27/07/2012 08:30:26 PM
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One problem.
- 27/07/2012 04:54:52 AM
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Exactly
- 27/07/2012 12:05:14 PM
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where do you people get these backasswards idea of what censorship is? PCmart?
- 27/07/2012 02:01:29 PM
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We can have this conversation w/o you being mean.
- 27/07/2012 02:57:02 PM
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I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
- 27/07/2012 04:18:54 PM
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Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
- 27/07/2012 05:01:37 PM
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Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship
- 27/07/2012 06:23:17 PM
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sorry I forgot the Olympic spirit was about banning athletes for dumb jokes they apologized for
- 27/07/2012 08:30:08 PM
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You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together.
- 27/07/2012 08:59:35 PM
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Re: You're really not going to make sense of this if you keep mashing everything together.
- 27/07/2012 09:18:08 PM
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I know who did the banning but the whole organization seems to infested with a certain flavor of PC
- 30/07/2012 10:11:26 PM
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Re: sorry I forgot the Olympic spirit was about banning athletes for dumb jokes they apologized for
- 27/07/2012 09:01:07 PM
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I know you said it but do you actually believe it?
- 27/07/2012 01:56:35 PM
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It's a good question, but yes, I do.
- 27/07/2012 02:42:28 PM
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Are going to ban everyone and everyone country who says something about anyone else?
- 27/07/2012 04:47:51 PM
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i have a feeling you are being influenced by that pic they run with all the articles about her?
- 27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM
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- 27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM
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Surely you don't think...
- 27/07/2012 02:57:47 PM
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I can honestly say I would not care as much if she were a man and/or ugly
- 29/07/2012 03:29:47 AM
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And now the next incident... this time about an athlete's partner, not the athlete herself.
- 03/08/2012 09:47:27 PM
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