Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD.
Joel Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM
not a great link as the refresh rate is low and only a very brief slow motion replay.
notice that Jennings gets the ball first, then presses it against his chest. Only then does Tate put his hands around it.
The other link not working has less to do with ESPN's decision and more with distribution rights in other countries.
notice that Jennings gets the ball first, then presses it against his chest. Only then does Tate put his hands around it.
The other link not working has less to do with ESPN's decision and more with distribution rights in other countries.
Tate had his hands on it before it ever got near Jennings' body; I cannot tell from the Youtube video who got it first, but it would be impossible to say there is conclusive video evidence to overturn the TD ruling on the field. And had I been on the field I would have made precisely the same call: By rule, simultaneous possession goes to the receiver; TD Seahawks.
Now, that does not speak to any offensive pass interference BEFORE the catch, which obviously would negate the catch and end the game, but I could not see that from the Youtube clip, because all the video before the catch is of Wilson and the line. It also does not cover any other bad non/calls (and the ESPN author seemed to feel there were many on both sides, though in terms of the games outcome that may amount to the old "blow one down there, blow one down here" ref mantra.) The ruling on the catch itself looked like a very difficult but 100% correct call though, both in the initial ruling and its confirmation by replay.
The NY Daily News article on it quotes Pete Carroll saying the same thing I (and, evidently, the refs) thought, and invoking the baseball rule of which the NFL rule always reminds me: “From what I understood from the officials it was a simultaneous catch. Tie goes to the runner. Good call,” Seattle coach Pete Carroll said.
Now, maybe this is a situation like the Tuck Rule and the like, but as much as people may want to complain about the call, any complaints should be directed to the Competition Committee who made the rule, not the refs who correctly applied it.
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This message last edited by Joel on 25/09/2012 at 07:32:18 AM
/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM*
- 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM
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Link? Clip?
- 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM
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Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM*
- 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM
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Here's a link.
- 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM
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Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post.
- 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM
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youtube link
- 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM
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Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD.
- 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM
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pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened
- 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM
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I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver.
- 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM
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watch a better replay if you can
- 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM
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Have now; still not convinced.
- 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM
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also, the pass interference on tate that wasn't called is clear at 0:56 in that clip
- 25/09/2012 11:27:36 AM
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Tate was looking for the ball, and raised his hands to catch it, not push off Sam Shields.
- 26/09/2012 01:33:46 AM
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watch a better replay and get back to me on this one.
- 26/09/2012 02:36:43 AM
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Where did the NFL head office acknowledge that?
- 26/09/2012 03:52:36 AM
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in their official response to the whole incident....?
- 26/09/2012 04:14:52 AM
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Fair enough then; the NFLs official position is that offensive PI should have been called.
- 26/09/2012 04:45:58 AM
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Yeah, if one hand counts as possession
- 25/09/2012 05:15:37 PM
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Left hand between Jennings' arms and on the ball; right was outside Jennings' arm and on the ball.
- 26/09/2012 01:38:28 AM
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How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM*
- 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM
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No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited.
- 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM
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While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees...
- 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM
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Now I really want to see this play.
- 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM
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Re: Now I really want to see this play.
- 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM
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I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball.
- 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM
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You might appreciate learning that the Lingerie Football League fired some of these refs
- 25/09/2012 07:19:37 AM
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Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year
- 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM
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you probably think greedo shot first too.....
- 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM
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Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then
- 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM
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he had nothing until they landed and he tried to pull it away. everyone but you agrees on this *NM*
- 25/09/2012 03:25:43 PM
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Not so; Cannoli and I agree on pretty much every point involved in this play.
- 26/09/2012 02:17:01 AM
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They can't reverse that call.
- 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM
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the only possible way was to rule it incomplete
- 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM
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It was very obviously caught; you can't rule that incomplete.
- 25/09/2012 11:06:17 PM
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my philosophy is "interception = incomplete" but i think that's only for stats purposes
- 26/09/2012 12:32:43 AM
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Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM*
- 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM
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I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM*
- 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM
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Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM*
- 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM
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I have seen enough of it, and while I did not write Cannolis response, I easily could have.
- 26/09/2012 02:06:45 AM
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Slightly (very) loopy yet entertaining piece on why Ayn Rand is to blame for all of this.
- 25/09/2012 05:38:12 PM
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She hates revenue sharing, salary caps & the draft, too, but the Pack would be screwed without each.
- 26/09/2012 03:34:00 AM
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Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see
- 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM
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Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times.
- 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM
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you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it?
- 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM
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I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip.
- 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM
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you sure you saw the right replay?
- 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM
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Think so, yeah.
- 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM
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from another angle -- pun intended
- 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM
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There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip?
- 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM
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your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug*
- 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM
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Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily.
- 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM
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did you even read that article???
- 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM
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"his control wasn’t established again...."
- 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM
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wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me
either way, you're still wrong
- 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM
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either way, you're still wrong
- 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM
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Worst calls are made all the time by the regular officials.
- 26/09/2012 01:23:57 AM
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yes, but not usually more than one per game, certainly not several in a single weekend.... *NM*
- 26/09/2012 02:39:56 AM
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*MN*