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Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. Joel Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM
not a great link as the refresh rate is low and only a very brief slow motion replay.
notice that Jennings gets the ball first, then presses it against his chest. Only then does Tate put his hands around it.

The other link not working has less to do with ESPN's decision and more with distribution rights in other countries.

Tate had his hands on it before it ever got near Jennings' body; I cannot tell from the Youtube video who got it first, but it would be impossible to say there is conclusive video evidence to overturn the TD ruling on the field. And had I been on the field I would have made precisely the same call: By rule, simultaneous possession goes to the receiver; TD Seahawks.

Now, that does not speak to any offensive pass interference BEFORE the catch, which obviously would negate the catch and end the game, but I could not see that from the Youtube clip, because all the video before the catch is of Wilson and the line. It also does not cover any other bad non/calls (and the ESPN author seemed to feel there were many on both sides, though in terms of the games outcome that may amount to the old "blow one down there, blow one down here" ref mantra.) The ruling on the catch itself looked like a very difficult but 100% correct call though, both in the initial ruling and its confirmation by replay.

The NY Daily News article on it quotes Pete Carroll saying the same thing I (and, evidently, the refs) thought, and invoking the baseball rule of which the NFL rule always reminds me: “From what I understood from the officials it was a simultaneous catch. Tie goes to the runner. Good call,” Seattle coach Pete Carroll said.

Now, maybe this is a situation like the Tuck Rule and the like, but as much as people may want to complain about the call, any complaints should be directed to the Competition Committee who made the rule, not the refs who correctly applied it.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 726 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 842 Views
Link? Clip? - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 801 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 517 Views
Here's a link. - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 896 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 721 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 946 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 904 Views
youtube link - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 928 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 799 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 1071 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1402 Views
watch a better replay if you can - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 860 Views
Have now; still not convinced. - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 916 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 921 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 857 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 419 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 1008 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 434 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 772 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 982 Views
Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 1001 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 898 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 820 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 986 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 911 Views
The last call was a joke. - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 861 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 917 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 868 Views
They can't reverse that call. - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 946 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 938 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 541 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 453 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 417 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 833 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 421 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 786 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 877 Views
As a Seahawks fan. - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 829 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 401 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 386 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 930 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 733 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1166 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 1173 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 837 Views
Think so, yeah. - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 998 Views
from another angle -- pun intended - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 836 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 1026 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 1065 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 875 Views
did you even read that article??? - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 875 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1329 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 981 Views
That is not an argument. - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 778 Views

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