Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only.
Tom Send a noteboard - 25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM
He's talking about the present day as well and sees us as a colonial power even today.
Even so, people can't just play the "colonialism" card as a means of abdicating personal responsibility. There are a few countries in Africa and Asia that always complain about it, while others just focus on developing and improving things.
The simple fact is that the vast majority of Muslims are intolerant by our standards (see the latest Pew survey on sharia, apostasy and how many have non-Muslim friends), and a significant minority are violently so.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently?
- 23/05/2013 03:55:28 AM
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Nah, you're just a bigot. *NM*
- 23/05/2013 08:21:33 AM
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Yes, I am against religions that call for violence. *NM*
- 23/05/2013 12:23:31 PM
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Wasn't aware you were against Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Shinto... *NM*
- 23/05/2013 12:59:04 PM
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Where does Christianity call for violence?
- 23/05/2013 03:55:11 PM
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Dueteronomy 13: 1-5 states that you must kill prophets of other religions.
- 23/05/2013 07:44:48 PM
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The Old Testament is not Christianity. It is where Christianity CAME from. *NM*
- 23/05/2013 09:25:12 PM
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FALSE!
- 24/05/2013 01:41:50 PM
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*sigh* And in fulfilling the "law" he created a new covenant which supplanted the old..
- 24/05/2013 06:09:43 PM
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All the death of Christ did was attone for the sins of the world.
- 26/05/2013 03:00:26 AM
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Sorry, you are wrong.
- 28/05/2013 04:17:51 PM
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...I can think of a rather larger difference. Starts with J and ends with S. *NM*
- 28/05/2013 11:54:28 PM
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Yeah, but not really, both religions acknowledge his existence, but differ on his role.
- 29/05/2013 06:00:03 PM
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Ok....and?
- 23/05/2013 10:36:55 PM
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You asked for an example, I gave one. I'm not here to argue with you. *NM*
- 26/05/2013 02:57:27 AM
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You might want to slap some qualifiers on there *NM*
- 23/05/2013 07:50:43 PM
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Actually, I very intentionally didn't put any qualifiers on that...
- 23/05/2013 10:38:24 PM
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The Cleansing of the Temple shows a legitimized use of physical force. *NM*
- 24/05/2013 05:05:55 AM
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Oh, boo hoo....
- 24/05/2013 03:50:18 PM
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LOL.
- 24/05/2013 04:45:50 PM
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Violence....
- 24/05/2013 05:32:47 PM
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Whipping people to drive them away of something is violence. It's not negotiable.
- 24/05/2013 06:06:42 PM
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You are something...
- 24/05/2013 06:29:03 PM
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We've gone from "Where does Christianity call for violence?" to "not all violence is bad." *NM*
- 24/05/2013 09:09:30 PM
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Also, spanking has been pretty soundly debunked as good parenting. Maybe not a good analogy. *NM*
- 24/05/2013 06:16:18 PM
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I don't favor spanking but the studies 'debunking it' are mostly 'bunk'
- 24/05/2013 10:29:28 PM
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Yes.
- 24/05/2013 10:42:51 PM
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Congratulations; you now understand why (or one reason) my posts tend to run long.
- 12/08/2013 02:53:24 AM
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You know better than that.
- 25/05/2013 06:52:32 AM
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I think you just claimed that my statement as to my opinion is anecdotal evidence of that opinion 
- 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM
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- 25/05/2013 09:26:21 AM
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I was talking about your reference to your upbringing as relevant to the statistical trend. *NM*
- 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM
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*NM*
- 25/05/2013 09:49:19 AM
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Yes, but I wasn't claiming it was relevant in that way 
- 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM
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- 25/05/2013 10:15:52 AM
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And the night was finished with a mob of white men attacking the police in the name of bigotry
- 23/05/2013 09:51:02 AM
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In the name of a religion that preaches violence?
- 23/05/2013 12:21:59 PM
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Islam "preaches" violence just about as much as Christianity does.
- 23/05/2013 12:46:00 PM
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it's actually pretty funny because many people understand Islam to, derivatively, mean peace
- 23/05/2013 01:44:18 PM
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No, it actaully does not.
- 23/05/2013 01:51:51 PM
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Couple of things
- 23/05/2013 08:13:57 PM
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Unfortunately they are NOT consistant in their messaging... see my link
- 23/05/2013 09:30:53 PM
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Well, "consistent" doesn't mean "never says things HyogaRott doesn't support."
- 23/05/2013 09:46:51 PM
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There is a difference between putting forth a good PR spin occasionally and making a stand.
- 24/05/2013 01:55:48 AM
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Really? Of all the criticisms you could make of Qaradawi, you whine about that?
- 23/05/2013 09:58:50 PM
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I think the key point there is that the MCB supported him for a visa in spite of that...
- 23/05/2013 11:05:14 PM
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So much for my attempt to bring a little levity to things.
- 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM
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- 24/05/2013 08:07:24 PM
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My ability to detect humor and sarcasm in writing is very sporadic
- 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM
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- 24/05/2013 10:28:03 PM
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That's a shame.
- 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM
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- 24/05/2013 11:55:37 PM
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Sure, I'll bite.
- 23/05/2013 09:23:54 PM
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Until the "unwashed masses" no longer show up dancing in the streets...
- 23/05/2013 09:40:59 PM
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I hope you like black and white.
- 23/05/2013 09:50:03 PM
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Not sure which point you think I missed that I should have responded to...
- 24/05/2013 01:52:20 AM
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I suppose that depends on which "points" precisely you thought you were making.
- 23/05/2013 09:54:55 PM
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Now let's not start with bullshit here
- 23/05/2013 01:54:48 PM
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Tom, this is a rare occurance when we agree.
- 23/05/2013 03:59:49 PM
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Excellent post - anyone that thinks all religions are the same is a complete moron.
- 24/05/2013 03:32:26 AM
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I don't approve of a great deal of popular Islamic thought.
- 24/05/2013 05:13:51 AM
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Do you think that it will truly happen?
- 24/05/2013 05:47:50 PM
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Might have something to do with colonialists ruining everything they can get their hands on.
- 24/05/2013 06:09:13 PM
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The first step on the road to recovery is aknowledging your responsibility for where you are and do
- 24/05/2013 06:22:42 PM
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Oh, so its our fault...
- 24/05/2013 06:38:14 PM
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That word "our" is interesting, don't you think?
- 24/05/2013 09:09:24 PM
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No, Ghavrel was doing that
- 25/05/2013 12:03:09 AM
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I'm sure we all do it, that's kind of the point.
- 25/05/2013 12:26:25 AM
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but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others.
- 25/05/2013 02:20:21 AM
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No, I really don't think so.
- 25/05/2013 11:18:05 AM
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*bashes face against keyboard in frustration*
- 25/05/2013 09:28:58 PM
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Perhaps I should bow out and let Ghavrel speak for himself, then.
- 25/05/2013 09:53:28 PM
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Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others.
- 25/05/2013 09:49:48 PM
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Re: but apparently it's only okay for some groups/people and not others.
- 26/05/2013 12:48:45 AM
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Also, yeah. Historically oppressive groups aren't equal to historically oppressed groups.
- 25/05/2013 10:31:58 PM
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Too simplistic AND a blatant justification for double standards I thought you didn't have
- 26/05/2013 01:02:07 AM
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That's not racism. Racism requires systematic oppression. *NM*
- 26/05/2013 01:14:08 AM
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No
- 26/05/2013 01:57:11 AM
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Where whitey firmly belongs, in no small part because of posts like that.
- 26/05/2013 02:00:59 AM
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Lulz, you're claiming every member of a group deserves something because of what I said?
- 26/05/2013 02:11:36 AM
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Just about every group has historically oppressed and BEEN oppressed at some time.
- 12/08/2013 04:00:54 AM
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Oh, I don't think he's talking about past "colonialism" only.
- 25/05/2013 06:18:11 AM
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Possibly. Some people do, to be sure, and there is some truth in that view.
- 25/05/2013 11:27:36 AM
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What a load of bullshit.
- 25/05/2013 06:14:02 AM
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I don't think you can reasonably claim to separate Salafi thought from the geopolitics of the time.
- 25/05/2013 10:23:03 PM
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The difference with Islam is they lost the empire game but they were conquers
- 27/05/2013 12:42:05 AM
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I'm gonna have to disagree with some of that.
- 27/05/2013 07:06:53 PM
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Yes it was very complex and the Crusaders were not saints (even the sainted ones)
- 29/05/2013 04:15:57 AM
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No, it had a bunch of opportunistic brown folks systematically dismantling it for centuries. 
- 12/08/2013 03:43:00 AM
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- 12/08/2013 03:43:00 AM
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Some of my ancestors lived and caved and bashed each over the heads with rocks
- 26/05/2013 04:38:56 PM
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Well yes.
- 26/05/2013 05:08:08 PM
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I would prefer to say that
- 27/05/2013 01:26:57 AM
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Of course you would. 
- 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM
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- 27/05/2013 10:19:46 AM
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There has been 14,000+ terrorist actions in the name of Islam since 9/11.
- 24/05/2013 03:30:30 AM
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Re: In the name of a religion that preaches violence?
- 23/05/2013 07:28:42 PM
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His head will only be chopped off is he draws or insults Muhammad! *NM*
- 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM
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*NM*
- 24/05/2013 03:34:21 AM
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Statistically
- 24/05/2013 10:22:29 AM
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Your solution is profiling...because it's time to *stop* thinking all folks are the same? *NM*
- 23/05/2013 02:36:32 PM
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I don't think we've ever encouraged people to think all folks are the same
- 23/05/2013 07:29:54 PM
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"Perhaps it's time to stop thinking all folks are the same?" ~A2k
- 23/05/2013 07:49:12 PM
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I think he's pointing to the encuragement of willful blindedness with that remark
- 23/05/2013 08:15:55 PM
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I think probably not.
- 23/05/2013 07:57:53 PM
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See Tom's post above for the facts..... *NM*
- 24/05/2013 03:36:18 AM
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That your original post was absurd? Thank you, but I got that on my own. *NM*
- 24/05/2013 09:09:21 PM
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It shows what a silly little fool you are, but that's your choice. *NM*
- 24/05/2013 09:19:04 PM
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Hey man, you're the one who told me Tom's post had the facts.
- 24/05/2013 09:20:53 PM
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It means exactly what I said. He did a great job! *NM*
- 24/05/2013 09:23:44 PM
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You mean like this?
- 24/05/2013 08:15:16 PM
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Sorry bu the comparison isn't valid
- 25/05/2013 09:50:34 PM
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Numbers alone do not change the validity of such
- 25/05/2013 11:15:17 PM
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Yes it does.
- 26/05/2013 12:23:27 AM
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*sigh*
- 26/05/2013 12:46:49 AM
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I think asking most Americans for recognition of a non-binary political paradigm is a bit much. *NM*
- 26/05/2013 01:16:30 AM
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*NM*
- 26/05/2013 01:16:30 AM
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UPDATE - Cleric/Teacher of one of the murderers praises him for "courage".
- 24/05/2013 09:22:24 PM
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Re: Maybe it is time to start treating muslims a little differently?
- 27/05/2013 02:28:31 PM
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Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly.
- 27/05/2013 03:22:41 PM
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Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly.
- 28/05/2013 04:56:55 PM
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Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly.
- 28/05/2013 10:18:40 PM
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Re: Please have a look at the attached list and tell me who "they" are, exactly.
- 29/05/2013 08:57:17 PM
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