Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started.
		The Name With No Man Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM
		
	I wasn't aware that due process even applied out side of "American Citizens", legally speaking.
We of course could argue the ethical standpoint all day long, but legally, I had no idea that non-Americans even got due process.
PS. i'm talking about on a domestic-law basis. I have no idea what international treaties we have with whom and how that affects due process.
We of course could argue the ethical standpoint all day long, but legally, I had no idea that non-Americans even got due process.
PS. i'm talking about on a domestic-law basis. I have no idea what international treaties we have with whom and how that affects due process.
Maybe not in the abortion debate though; much of that hinges on Madisons habit of stating rights held by "persons" (i.e. not citizens alone, and not just on US soil. ) Many lost sight of that in the handling of the 911 hijackers because of so called "American Taliban" like John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla, and Yaser Hamdi; many (including myself) were outraged to see US citizens denied their constitutional rights, but we should've been outraged ANYONE was denied rights guaranteed under the Constitution, regardless of their citizenship.
This is still America, folks. We don't just let our leaders point their fingers at people and say, "you're bad111" then proceed to stone them to death. I understand there are people who disagree with that (strongly enough to murder thousands of people, in fact) but to those of my countrymen who feel that way I offer a helpful suggestion:
Rather than trying to turn the US into the Taliban era Afghanistan, why not simply move to a country that's already like that?
The sad and simple truth of the matter is, suggesting we deny people trials since we KNOW they're guilty, just take them out back and have them shot, is no more nor less than a fancy way of saying you agree with bin Ladens methods, just not his motives.
			No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden?
	    
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			oO uhm, what?
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 12:54:13 AM
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			If they're tried INSIDE the US, then yes, they are entitled to due process.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 01:44:08 AM
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			Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started.
		
	         - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM
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			on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM
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			New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial
	    
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			If this trial were being held in any other country
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM
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			It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM
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			It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM
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			Spare me the bullshit.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM
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			I will if you will.  - 20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM
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			No, you won't.  You never will.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM
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			You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM
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			You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM
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			Allow me to point out...
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM
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			That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM
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			It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM
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			I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one  - 21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM
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			Military struggles involve militaries.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM
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			Once again, bullshit.
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM
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			This is wrong
	    
	         - 20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM
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			We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM
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			Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad...
	    
	         - 22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM
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			I understand your "jihadist narrative"
	    
	         - 22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM
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			No you don't
	    
	         - 22/11/2009 11:16:18 PM
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			Oh, so you know better than Army attorneys about Miranda rights?
	    
	         - 22/11/2009 11:52:00 PM
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			I can explain it to you right now if you want?
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 08:21:48 AM
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			Credible legal and moral justifications for not trying terrorists in civilian court:
	    
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			Re: Credible legal and moral justifications for not trying terrorists in civilian court:
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 04:55:12 AM
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			I'm glad that you will never be in a position where a decision you make can affect my life.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 12:27:35 AM
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			Actually people of my thinking are already making decisions that affect your life.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 08:29:24 AM
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			Please explain to me how military tribunals compromise my principles?
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 02:54:18 AM
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			And your little hyperbolic rant would make more sense if it were grounded in reality.
	    
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			Looks like we'll get a Not Guilty plea, and a defense focusing on condeming US foreign policy
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 12:36:47 AM
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			They'll publicly accuse us of tyranny and brutality in front of a jury and without  our censorship.
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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			My main objection is the awful precedent set by trying prisoners of war here in America.
	    
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			"My main objection is the awful precedent set by trying prisoners of war here in America. "
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 06:57:34 AM
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			We've had Mohammed in custody for over 6 years...
	    
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			I've already responded to your absurd statements, but let me reiterate a few here
	    
	         - 23/11/2009 02:59:09 PM
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			And I've responded to yours
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 04:57:58 AM
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			It's not, at least for me, that we feel the civilian courts are inadequate
	    
	         - 24/11/2009 05:28:51 AM
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			Good analysis of the situation.
	    
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			It isn't about sending a message. It's about horrible war fighting strategy.
	    
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			No.  It's about not using a horribly ineffective strategy just to send a message to terrorists.
	    
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			enemy combatants and terrorists  - 23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM
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			They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists.
	    
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