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As it seems we will. The Name With No Man Send a noteboard - 24/11/2009 09:41:18 AM
if someone says (or cackles in my mental picture) mahahaha i helped bomb the US, then that's grounds alone for conviction of crimes. Not to mention where in the HELL are you going to get a 'jury of peers" or an unbiased jury?? Have fun with that.

A jury of peers doesn't mean a terrorist jury, just as you don't need twelve accused murderers to try one. They must be equals, but "equal" isn't "same" (thank you, Madeline L'Engle.) My only concern is finding an unbiased one, but with 20 million New Yorkers you can probably find twelve who've been living under a rock for a decade. Jury selections often expose a surprising degree of ignorance about major events in more people than we'd expect, but if we need a change of venue that's perfectly legal.
And frankly?

To win a war or win a conflict, sometimes you need to set some of your ethics aside for the greater good.

I would feel zero ethical conflict shooting bin laden in the face without a trial.

Then for you, the war is over. The trouble with setting aside your ethics is they're rarely taken up again. It only hurts the first time. If we don't need to prove bin Laden guilty to execute him, why does he need to prove anyone guilty to execute them? You believe him vile and a threat, and I agree, but he believes pants wearing educated non-Muslim women a vile threat as well. I don't think that reason enough for either of you to kill the other without a trial. That's the crux of this conflict we refuse to officially call "war" and if we concede that point it's no simple matter of bending our ethics, it destroys our very casus belli. Then it's just dueling killers.
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No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden? - 20/11/2009 12:48:27 AM 995 Views
oO uhm, what? - 20/11/2009 12:54:13 AM 481 Views
Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started. - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM 508 Views
on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession. - 20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM 505 Views
As it seems we will. - 24/11/2009 09:41:18 AM 485 Views
New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial - 20/11/2009 01:43:26 AM 437 Views
Its to salve their conscinse - 20/11/2009 01:55:08 AM 439 Views
That's exactly the problem! - 20/11/2009 01:58:37 AM 463 Views
If this trial were being held in any other country - 20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM 464 Views
It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it. - 20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM 492 Views
It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended. - 20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM 378 Views
Spare me the bullshit. - 20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM 374 Views
I will if you will. - 20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM 463 Views
No, you won't. You never will. - 20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM 361 Views
You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem. - 23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM 461 Views
No, that's not right. You don't read very closely. - 23/11/2009 02:21:54 PM 375 Views
In this case my reading comprehension is more than adequate. - 24/11/2009 09:16:39 AM 421 Views
You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow. - 20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM 416 Views
Allow me to point out... - 20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM 397 Views
Well, Timothy McVeigh was in OUR Army. - 20/11/2009 03:55:18 PM 514 Views
That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group - 20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM 440 Views
It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance. - 20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM 385 Views
I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one - 21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM 397 Views
Yes. "Terrorist group". - 21/11/2009 12:02:04 PM 474 Views
Yeah I guess you're right - 22/11/2009 01:34:34 AM 385 Views
Military struggles involve militaries. - 20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM 549 Views
Once again, bullshit. - 20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM 520 Views
Aaaah, I see; it's a question of who's the master, is it? - 23/11/2009 07:47:43 AM 525 Views
You're wasting your time - 23/11/2009 02:24:57 PM 422 Views
This is wrong - 20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM 421 Views
We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli. - 23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM 469 Views
Nevertheless, uniforms or a nation is not a requirement - 23/11/2009 03:09:22 PM 430 Views
Rightly or wrongly, I disagree. - 24/11/2009 08:48:25 AM 476 Views
That is bad - 21/11/2009 12:31:04 AM 409 Views
You're not going far enough, man. - 20/11/2009 11:03:08 AM 457 Views
Blah blah blah blah blah *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:57:39 PM 192 Views
I just can't imagine how they expect to get a fair trial. - 20/11/2009 03:17:28 AM 383 Views
The Code of Conduct - 20/11/2009 07:23:02 PM 486 Views
The mention of God is interesting. *NM* - 21/11/2009 05:24:14 AM 306 Views
Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad... - 22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM 541 Views
I understand your "jihadist narrative" - 22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM 527 Views
enemy combatants and terrorists - 23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM 497 Views
They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists. - 24/11/2009 08:09:13 AM 616 Views
not every soldier in history has worn a uniform - 24/11/2009 11:00:34 PM 293 Views
One example would be Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys - 25/11/2009 06:23:08 PM 469 Views
Just for fun, let's call them fundamentalist vigilantes. *NM* - 24/11/2009 11:12:09 PM 167 Views
Works for me. - 01/12/2009 09:12:29 AM 448 Views

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