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Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started. The Name With No Man Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM
I wasn't aware that due process even applied out side of "American Citizens", legally speaking.

We of course could argue the ethical standpoint all day long, but legally, I had no idea that non-Americans even got due process.

PS. i'm talking about on a domestic-law basis. I have no idea what international treaties we have with whom and how that affects due process.

Maybe not in the abortion debate though; much of that hinges on Madisons habit of stating rights held by "persons" (i.e. not citizens alone, and not just on US soil. ) Many lost sight of that in the handling of the 911 hijackers because of so called "American Taliban" like John Walker Lindh, Jose Padilla, and Yaser Hamdi; many (including myself) were outraged to see US citizens denied their constitutional rights, but we should've been outraged ANYONE was denied rights guaranteed under the Constitution, regardless of their citizenship.

This is still America, folks. We don't just let our leaders point their fingers at people and say, "you're bad111" then proceed to stone them to death. I understand there are people who disagree with that (strongly enough to murder thousands of people, in fact) but to those of my countrymen who feel that way I offer a helpful suggestion:

Rather than trying to turn the US into the Taliban era Afghanistan, why not simply move to a country that's already like that?

The sad and simple truth of the matter is, suggesting we deny people trials since we KNOW they're guilty, just take them out back and have them shot, is no more nor less than a fancy way of saying you agree with bin Ladens methods, just not his motives.
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No need to interrogate Osama bin Laden? - 20/11/2009 12:48:27 AM 1346 Views
oO uhm, what? - 20/11/2009 12:54:13 AM 820 Views
Yeah, a lot of people were fuzzy on that till this started. - 20/11/2009 09:30:39 AM 836 Views
on the other hand, we're more than willing to take them out back with a confession. - 20/11/2009 06:34:12 PM 843 Views
As it seems we will. - 24/11/2009 09:41:18 AM 845 Views
New York is now asking for $75 MILLION for the KSM trial - 20/11/2009 01:43:26 AM 773 Views
Its to salve their conscinse - 20/11/2009 01:55:08 AM 766 Views
That's exactly the problem! - 20/11/2009 01:58:37 AM 768 Views
If this trial were being held in any other country - 20/11/2009 01:56:07 AM 778 Views
It's a terrible precedent no matter how you look at it. - 20/11/2009 02:13:46 AM 797 Views
It IS a terrible precdent, hence you and others are citing it 65 years after WWII ended. - 20/11/2009 09:23:45 AM 682 Views
Spare me the bullshit. - 20/11/2009 01:57:16 PM 695 Views
I will if you will. - 20/11/2009 02:55:30 PM 815 Views
No, you won't. You never will. - 20/11/2009 06:14:30 PM 720 Views
You're putting your cart before your horse is the problem. - 23/11/2009 05:40:46 AM 789 Views
No, that's not right. You don't read very closely. - 23/11/2009 02:21:54 PM 712 Views
In this case my reading comprehension is more than adequate. - 24/11/2009 09:16:39 AM 732 Views
You don't think this is a military struggle? Wow. - 20/11/2009 02:52:26 PM 754 Views
Allow me to point out... - 20/11/2009 03:02:33 PM 737 Views
Well, Timothy McVeigh was in OUR Army. - 20/11/2009 03:55:18 PM 856 Views
That's the thing, they aren't a terrorist group - 20/11/2009 04:54:31 PM 779 Views
It would help if you would offer any argument in favour of your stance. - 20/11/2009 08:43:08 PM 712 Views
I only use the word army cause I can't think of a better one - 21/11/2009 04:32:01 AM 769 Views
Yes. "Terrorist group". - 21/11/2009 12:02:04 PM 785 Views
Yeah I guess you're right - 22/11/2009 01:34:34 AM 704 Views
Military struggles involve militaries. - 20/11/2009 03:23:14 PM 892 Views
Once again, bullshit. - 20/11/2009 06:09:31 PM 844 Views
Aaaah, I see; it's a question of who's the master, is it? - 23/11/2009 07:47:43 AM 905 Views
You're wasting your time - 23/11/2009 02:24:57 PM 748 Views
This is wrong - 20/11/2009 07:41:35 PM 735 Views
We're a long way from the shore of Tripoli. - 23/11/2009 05:59:19 AM 829 Views
Nevertheless, uniforms or a nation is not a requirement - 23/11/2009 03:09:22 PM 754 Views
Rightly or wrongly, I disagree. - 24/11/2009 08:48:25 AM 811 Views
That is bad - 21/11/2009 12:31:04 AM 729 Views
You're not going far enough, man. - 20/11/2009 11:03:08 AM 775 Views
Blah blah blah blah blah *NM* - 20/11/2009 01:57:39 PM 339 Views
I just can't imagine how they expect to get a fair trial. - 20/11/2009 03:17:28 AM 704 Views
The Code of Conduct - 20/11/2009 07:23:02 PM 852 Views
The mention of God is interesting. *NM* - 21/11/2009 05:24:14 AM 467 Views
Your little diatribe in the beginning only makes me glad... - 22/11/2009 05:32:57 AM 873 Views
I understand your "jihadist narrative" - 22/11/2009 06:36:41 PM 897 Views
enemy combatants and terrorists - 23/11/2009 08:03:25 PM 823 Views
They're not different because from the Third World, but because terrorists. - 24/11/2009 08:09:13 AM 939 Views
not every soldier in history has worn a uniform - 24/11/2009 11:00:34 PM 647 Views
One example would be Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys - 25/11/2009 06:23:08 PM 809 Views
Just for fun, let's call them fundamentalist vigilantes. *NM* - 24/11/2009 11:12:09 PM 311 Views
Works for me. - 01/12/2009 09:12:29 AM 764 Views

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