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It depends on your level of cynicism nossy Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM
Which I am NOT willing to argue-- I'll lose that conversation every time.

If you assume the govt won't actually effectively cut the fat (let's face it, they can't get all or maybe even most), then you've got your scenario. It's not what "Obama Care" is proposing at the moment though. Your post is exactly what they are saying they are going to try to reign in. We have yet to see it though, I agree. And the $$ balances are frightening.

I suppose this is an entirely neutral post. No substantial argument, I just can't agree with you in full.
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare Tom - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1100 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " Joel - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 582 Views
The US will never work with socialism. Tom - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 663 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Joel - 03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM 656 Views
I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Brian - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 574 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 617 Views
I would say it's grown with the government Brian - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 601 Views
The key is that government shouldn't be heavily involved in personal lives. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:58:39 AM 625 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 542 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. Brian - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 597 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 409 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 698 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? Brian - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 503 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help Tom - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 491 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it Brian - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 497 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 620 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket Brian - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 545 Views
It's both, IMHO. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 465 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 486 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... Joel - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 572 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 582 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. Joel - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 638 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 661 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? Joel - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 690 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 671 Views
So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade Joel - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM 567 Views
Wow, that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever read..... trzaska2000 - 05/09/2009 05:42:45 AM 612 Views
So you're saying you DON'T proofread...? Joel - 05/09/2009 05:59:49 AM 724 Views
Paris Hilton? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 564 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 649 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 736 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 538 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? Joel - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 575 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 479 Views
Well, look at this way: Joel - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 612 Views
That's not a solution. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 627 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 566 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. Сталин - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 675 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR Joel - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 792 Views
FINALLY!!! Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 591 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 481 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 777 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 597 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 408 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 731 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 653 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 699 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 621 Views
To what 40% do you refer? Joel - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 482 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 519 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " Joel - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 535 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. Brian - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 510 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 552 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in Brian - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 644 Views
A neat trick then. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 645 Views
To be fair Brian - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 581 Views
Ah, gotcha. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 591 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 469 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 587 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... Brian - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 585 Views
It's what welfare means to me... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 587 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 368 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 351 Views
*NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 348 Views
Not necessarily Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 517 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 359 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 516 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 506 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 540 Views
How does the business benefit? Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 526 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 552 Views
That's a no-no, Joel AgentOrange - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 522 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: Joel - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 605 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* Brian - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 255 Views
If that scares you, check this out! trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 622 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 460 Views
There is one thing the government did right Tom - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 575 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 573 Views
I still think it was too one sided. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 602 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism nossy - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 628 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? random thoughts - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 549 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it nossy - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 584 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* random thoughts - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 350 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. Tim - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 597 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " Joel - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 737 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " Lady Isa Avanderidhril - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 580 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. Joel - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 638 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. Legolas - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 612 Views
What makes you think we do? nossy - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 620 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* Legolas - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 363 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 691 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours Brian - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 477 Views
I can understand horror of governments. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 469 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 374 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 597 Views
Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 584 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 659 Views
In all honesty.... Brian - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 530 Views
Re: In all honesty.... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 622 Views
Re: Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 553 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 735 Views
That's a nice theory. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 604 Views
It's a fact ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 572 Views
Re: It's a fact Joel - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 552 Views
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