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The word I notice is "welfare" Kylia Skydancer Send a noteboard - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM
As Brian explained, the EITC (its official name - the Earned Income Tax Credit) actually pays people who did not pay taxes. It's not a refund; it's an additional source of welfare. By expanding that program we shrink the tax base. Obama wants to expand that program.


Welfare to me means you require that money in order to support the basic cost of living. In order to have a roof over your head and food on your table. By expanding that program it means that more people get to eat dinner and that less of them are sleeping in a cardboard box. Don't you think that's slightly more important?
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare Tom - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1279 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " Joel - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 746 Views
The US will never work with socialism. Tom - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 813 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Joel - 03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM 801 Views
I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Brian - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 733 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 770 Views
I would say it's grown with the government Brian - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 754 Views
The key is that government shouldn't be heavily involved in personal lives. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:58:39 AM 781 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 697 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. Brian - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 763 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 484 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 857 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? Brian - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 660 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help Tom - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 637 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it Brian - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 653 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 777 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket Brian - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 700 Views
It's both, IMHO. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 622 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 638 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... Joel - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 725 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 734 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. Joel - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 788 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 840 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? Joel - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 844 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 810 Views
So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade Joel - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM 720 Views
Wow, that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever read..... trzaska2000 - 05/09/2009 05:42:45 AM 758 Views
So you're saying you DON'T proofread...? Joel - 05/09/2009 05:59:49 AM 884 Views
Paris Hilton? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 711 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 823 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 908 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 710 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? Joel - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 702 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 637 Views
Well, look at this way: Joel - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 768 Views
That's not a solution. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 770 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 717 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. Сталин - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 836 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR Joel - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 954 Views
FINALLY!!! Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 750 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 630 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 935 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 751 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 498 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 888 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 831 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 848 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 768 Views
To what 40% do you refer? Joel - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 632 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 669 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " Joel - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 677 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. Brian - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 667 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 721 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in Brian - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 799 Views
A neat trick then. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 796 Views
To be fair Brian - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 735 Views
Ah, gotcha. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 749 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 616 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 734 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... Brian - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 740 Views
It's what welfare means to me... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 748 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 426 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 412 Views
*NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 407 Views
Not necessarily Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 671 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 419 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 673 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 661 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 688 Views
How does the business benefit? Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 690 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 708 Views
That's a no-no, Joel AgentOrange - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 674 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: Joel - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 726 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* Brian - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 316 Views
If that scares you, check this out! trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 814 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 618 Views
There is one thing the government did right Tom - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 732 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 732 Views
I still think it was too one sided. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 762 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism nossy - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 787 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? random thoughts - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 712 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it nossy - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 739 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* random thoughts - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 404 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. Tim - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 721 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " Joel - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 888 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " Lady Isa Avanderidhril - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 772 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. Joel - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 782 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. Legolas - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 762 Views
What makes you think we do? nossy - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 776 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* Legolas - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 420 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 856 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours Brian - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 631 Views
I can understand horror of governments. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 630 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 437 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 745 Views
Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 740 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 856 Views
In all honesty.... Brian - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 691 Views
Re: In all honesty.... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 773 Views
Re: Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 696 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 887 Views
That's a nice theory. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 752 Views
It's a fact ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 748 Views
Re: It's a fact Joel - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 703 Views
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