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Not really Isaac Send a noteboard - 16/03/2010 02:07:36 AM
"no, not much she could do" is rather different from your initial reaction about her breaking various rules, and your saying she broke federal law. And the fact that her marriage isn't acknowledged in Alaska any more than it is in South Dakota means, if I'm not mistaken, that she *can* in fact be required to testify against her spouse-by-Iowan-law, if the trial takes place in Alaska as I imagine it would.


If she falsified government records she broke federal law, that's unchanged, we don't normally pursue such cases unless people had malicious or fraudulent intent, but you miss my train of thought on this. I'm ticked the cops are being vilified and sued, doesn't mean I want her thrown in a dungeon. I don't see how they could be considered in the wrong to have mentioned marriage, since that's essentially a legal fiction no matter how you cut it. Everyone knows you can't be a married gay in the service, so they knew she was breaking the rules, and I've never heard of marriage being considered something people have an expectation of privacy on. Jurisdictional concerns etc have never been something I approve of hiding behind and I don't change my views on this sort of stuff just because on a specific occasion the laws conflict with ideology. Let's not dance around what a bunch of people in this thread are doing, if this was a man who caught got committing bigamy by having a wife in S. Korea and one here, we'd all be sneering at him and even the ACLU probably wouldn't touch it, that has certainly happened and probably in this exact same fashion. So there's a pretty big stink of hypocrisy going on. And if people want to throw out legal technicalities to justify this lawsuit, I'm happy to throw out others.

Again, this doesn't mean I think she needs to be nailed to a tree, so no, I don't think I'm backtracking. Like I've said, there's a lot of bizarre legal weirdness that result from DADT, and I don't approve, but I don't like running over cops with a steamroller if they enforce laws I consider immoral either, which they really didn't do. I don't like drug laws, I don't think we should grab any legal excuse to sue the cops for enforcing them though. "Argh, I was coming home from work with an arm full of groceries and the cop who was investigating my next door neighbor saw me and opened my door for me, saw a bunch of counterfeit money and plates lying on my kitchen table, and called the Secret Service, who arrested me for counterfeiting, I'm suing for invasion of privacy!"

And there's the ethical issue, sure, none of us think you should go to jail for stealing a loaf of bread to feed your kids, we gonna find something specifically over our anger at the arrest to use an an excuse to sue the cop for arresting the loaf-stealer? We don't have to like the laws, we can gripe about them or work to change them, and people under prosecution can certainly raise techinicalities to get off the charges, but there's a real slippery moral slope when you start using these sort of things as a way of 'getting justice', because it isn't.

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Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military - 13/03/2010 10:43:06 PM 1111 Views
The military is entitled to know about all legal proceedings on its personnel, and the details - 13/03/2010 11:08:18 PM 590 Views
Re: The military is entitled to know about all legal proceedings on its personnel, and the details - 13/03/2010 11:37:30 PM 612 Views
well she did have a third option - 14/03/2010 12:05:06 AM 587 Views
Her marriage was an important detail - 14/03/2010 12:38:29 AM 580 Views
Re: Her marriage was an important detail - 14/03/2010 06:38:05 PM 594 Views
you're assuming the military are treated like actual citizens. - 14/03/2010 06:50:14 PM 559 Views
Basically. *NM* - 14/03/2010 06:54:14 PM 301 Views
really? I was really hoping someone would point out how wrong I was. *NM* - 14/03/2010 07:01:45 PM 317 Views
It's not as bad as it sounds *NM* - 14/03/2010 11:13:05 PM 286 Views
Agreed. It's restrictive at times, but usually fair. *NM* - 15/03/2010 12:30:13 AM 283 Views
Yep, definitely harsh, but also fair *NM* - 15/03/2010 12:54:34 AM 278 Views
Define fair - 15/03/2010 03:08:42 AM 558 Views
actually, I think it is as bad as it sounds. - 15/03/2010 02:14:21 AM 508 Views
Because if you treated soldiers like civilians, they wouldn't be very effective. *NM* - 15/03/2010 02:49:19 AM 283 Views
*shrug* I don't believe it has to be that way. - 15/03/2010 03:40:08 AM 508 Views
- 15/03/2010 10:28:32 PM 752 Views
Matter of perspective - 15/03/2010 03:13:21 AM 561 Views
*snort* there's "Rules" like any job has - 15/03/2010 03:34:51 AM 553 Views
Re: *snort* there's "Rules" like any job has - 15/03/2010 04:02:46 AM 575 Views
if someone is going to sign away their life and limb. - 15/03/2010 04:05:36 AM 654 Views
Re: if someone is going to sign away their life and limb. - 15/03/2010 04:48:03 AM 548 Views
very* - 15/03/2010 04:51:07 AM 629 Views
Re: very* - 15/03/2010 05:02:28 AM 534 Views
You can get out of the military anytime in the first six months or so without any consequences. *NM* - 15/03/2010 05:25:43 AM 360 Views
I'm less concerned about "Getting out" - 15/03/2010 12:31:49 PM 603 Views
Actually, in the contract when you first sign up... - 15/03/2010 05:55:48 PM 730 Views
as long as it's in the contract...and not glossed over. - 15/03/2010 06:00:38 PM 536 Views
The military is different - 14/03/2010 06:53:28 PM 681 Views
Re: The military is different - 15/03/2010 12:34:47 AM 538 Views
You obviously don't get it. There is no right to privacy as a member of the military. Period. - 15/03/2010 12:43:58 AM 521 Views
You two are arguing past each other - 15/03/2010 03:14:28 AM 509 Views
My point remains the same.... - 15/03/2010 06:27:32 AM 543 Views
No no no, I think you're missing a big point - 15/03/2010 02:50:33 AM 532 Views
Actually, I believe she also violated federal law too - 15/03/2010 03:38:26 AM 683 Views
Re: Actually, I believe she also violated federal law too - 15/03/2010 04:01:29 AM 562 Views
Jurisdiction - 15/03/2010 04:21:08 AM 599 Views
Aren't they already pursuing across state lines though? - 15/03/2010 04:46:34 AM 551 Views
and you are still missing my main point. - 15/03/2010 03:49:26 AM 557 Views
I don't care about DADT, and I never mentioned it - 15/03/2010 07:15:27 AM 565 Views
Wow...how completely wrong you are. - 15/03/2010 05:42:32 PM 509 Views
You want to cite when that was changed? - 15/03/2010 06:27:47 PM 564 Views
Marriage Question - 15/03/2010 07:26:34 PM 486 Views
Re: Marriage Question - 15/03/2010 07:54:24 PM 531 Views
I can't tell you when it was changed specifically... - 15/03/2010 09:09:46 PM 498 Views
Re: I can't tell you when it was changed specifically... - 15/03/2010 09:15:41 PM 524 Views
wait, why does this military have that right? - 15/03/2010 10:03:14 PM 506 Views
Why does or why should? *NM* - 15/03/2010 10:22:11 PM 288 Views
both, really. *NM* - 15/03/2010 10:28:36 PM 272 Views
Basically what snoop said *NM* - 15/03/2010 11:07:17 PM 258 Views
Can't cite you regs, don't know them and I have been out for a number of years now. - 16/03/2010 12:17:58 AM 477 Views
Re: Can't cite you regs, don't know them and I have been out for a number of years now. - 16/03/2010 12:33:33 AM 511 Views
Somebody brought up a valid point, though... - 16/03/2010 01:01:18 AM 615 Views
Re: Somebody brought up a valid point, though... - 16/03/2010 01:22:36 AM 663 Views
Does that mean you're backtracking on a number of your earlier statements? - 16/03/2010 01:35:49 AM 726 Views
Not really - 16/03/2010 02:07:36 AM 568 Views
Looks like you're missing one of my points too, then. - 16/03/2010 02:40:50 AM 858 Views
Re: Looks like you're missing one of my points too, then. - 16/03/2010 02:57:03 AM 551 Views
Actually she did NOT follow the rules - 14/03/2010 06:04:32 AM 597 Views
Bottom line: The law is stupid. - 15/03/2010 04:20:23 AM 536 Views
A spouse's criminal record can effect a soldier's clearance. - 15/03/2010 05:30:09 AM 649 Views
none? - 15/03/2010 12:36:36 PM 563 Views
Perhaps the bit where the police may have informed the military out of spite. - 15/03/2010 06:30:06 PM 597 Views
see and here's my thing - 15/03/2010 10:04:43 PM 686 Views
Re: see and here's my thing - 15/03/2010 10:45:10 PM 621 Views
i guess that's just me then I tend to tuck important documents into single locations - 15/03/2010 10:47:12 PM 594 Views
Until yesterday - 15/03/2010 11:34:09 PM 499 Views
Re: Until yesterday - 15/03/2010 11:42:37 PM 535 Views
Don't ask, don't tell is stupid and outdated in a modern country. - 15/03/2010 11:02:33 AM 548 Views
Exactly - 15/03/2010 09:04:44 PM 495 Views
Re: Exactly - 15/03/2010 10:11:14 PM 598 Views
Yeah, - 15/03/2010 10:43:10 PM 554 Views

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