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I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. Joel Send a noteboard - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM
A business has to turn over withheld money directly to the IRS and state taxation authorities anyway. It's not like they can arbitrage the withheld money, and even if they could the amount they could make would be so small that it wouldn't affect their operations (unless you're envisioning some Dickensian sweat shop where tens of thousands of people are employed at minimum wage).

Probably because every place I've ever worked lets the employee decide how to fill out the withholding form though most of them have suggestions on what's in the employees best interest. I misunderstood you to mean they won't try to hold wages as low as possible, which seemed dubious to me.
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare Tom - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1419 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " Joel - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 850 Views
The US will never work with socialism. Tom - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 928 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Joel - 03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM 925 Views
I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Brian - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 837 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 878 Views
I would say it's grown with the government Brian - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 863 Views
The key is that government shouldn't be heavily involved in personal lives. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:58:39 AM 892 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 800 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. Brian - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 877 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 548 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 960 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? Brian - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 801 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help Tom - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 736 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it Brian - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 779 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 880 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket Brian - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 807 Views
It's both, IMHO. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 739 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 761 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... Joel - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 832 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 827 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. Joel - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 892 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 975 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? Joel - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 974 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 928 Views
So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade Joel - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM 829 Views
Wow, that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever read..... trzaska2000 - 05/09/2009 05:42:45 AM 870 Views
So you're saying you DON'T proofread...? Joel - 05/09/2009 05:59:49 AM 991 Views
Paris Hilton? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 836 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 928 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 1010 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 820 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? Joel - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 808 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 748 Views
Well, look at this way: Joel - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 890 Views
That's not a solution. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 898 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 830 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. Сталин - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 964 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR Joel - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 1061 Views
FINALLY!!! Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 864 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 725 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Сталин - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 1069 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 865 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 545 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 990 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 948 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 969 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 868 Views
To what 40% do you refer? Joel - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 733 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 784 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " Joel - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 787 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. Brian - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 782 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. Joel - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 829 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in Brian - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 914 Views
A neat trick then. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 910 Views
To be fair Brian - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 859 Views
Ah, gotcha. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 851 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. Tom - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 736 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 862 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... Brian - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 842 Views
It's what welfare means to me... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 855 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 485 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 468 Views
*NM* Brian - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 464 Views
Not necessarily Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 806 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 468 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. Joel - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 775 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. Сталин - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 780 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 796 Views
How does the business benefit? Сталин - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 809 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. Joel - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 818 Views
That's a no-no, Joel AgentOrange - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 784 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: Joel - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 832 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* Brian - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 385 Views
If that scares you, check this out! trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 940 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 728 Views
There is one thing the government did right Tom - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 842 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... trzaska2000 - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 833 Views
I still think it was too one sided. Joel - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 863 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism nossy - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 894 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? random thoughts - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 817 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it nossy - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 843 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* random thoughts - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 464 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. Tim - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 834 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " Joel - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 1003 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " Lady Isa Avanderidhril - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 872 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. Joel - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 896 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. Legolas - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 864 Views
What makes you think we do? nossy - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 879 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* Legolas - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 485 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 976 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours Brian - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 736 Views
I can understand horror of governments. Rebekah - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 741 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 487 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 860 Views
Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 857 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 988 Views
In all honesty.... Brian - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 799 Views
Re: In all honesty.... Kylia Skydancer - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 877 Views
Re: Correction ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 809 Views
Re: Correction Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 1015 Views
That's a nice theory. Joel - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 900 Views
It's a fact ßelals Girl - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 854 Views
Re: It's a fact Joel - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 817 Views
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