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How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM

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My father and I chose to work two jobs so our wives weren't required to work. How many single income producer households exist today?

Then why did you bring it up?


View original postPlus, in case you haven't noticed, the average American works well over 40 hours a week. Because people do what they have to do. Or, they cry for income redistribution.

Again, saying "people do what they have to do, so the system is ideal" is not really much of an argument. In fact, it's not an argument at all. It's simply saying "this is the way things are." Of course people do what they have to do. But why is it that people doing what they have to do in the United States is so vastly different from, say, Germany? They work fewer hours per week there than in the US. Same with Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the UK, and Canada.

Conversely, there are plenty of countries without labor laws where people--including children--do what they have to do. Why is America the one that got it right? You haven't addressed this. Or do you think any redistribution of wealth is bad?

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1662 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1045 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1036 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 926 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 976 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 993 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1020 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1011 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 997 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 928 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 952 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 950 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 978 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1008 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 945 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 915 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 667 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 526 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1033 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1007 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1016 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 958 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1109 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 968 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 614 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 585 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 986 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 954 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 968 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1037 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1062 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 926 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 965 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 890 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1006 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1014 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 957 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 986 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1033 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 923 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 983 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 889 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1140 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 562 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 590 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1091 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 944 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 924 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 883 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1131 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 1037 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 1012 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 1028 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 616 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 960 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1074 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 894 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 962 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 995 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 520 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 558 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 951 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 939 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 849 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 931 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 958 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 888 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 444 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 1031 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1484 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 1055 Views
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