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How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM

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My father and I chose to work two jobs so our wives weren't required to work. How many single income producer households exist today?

Then why did you bring it up?


View original postPlus, in case you haven't noticed, the average American works well over 40 hours a week. Because people do what they have to do. Or, they cry for income redistribution.

Again, saying "people do what they have to do, so the system is ideal" is not really much of an argument. In fact, it's not an argument at all. It's simply saying "this is the way things are." Of course people do what they have to do. But why is it that people doing what they have to do in the United States is so vastly different from, say, Germany? They work fewer hours per week there than in the US. Same with Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the UK, and Canada.

Conversely, there are plenty of countries without labor laws where people--including children--do what they have to do. Why is America the one that got it right? You haven't addressed this. Or do you think any redistribution of wealth is bad?

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1711 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1087 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1093 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 962 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 1012 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 1027 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1060 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1053 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 1038 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 964 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 985 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 988 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 1016 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1055 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 980 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 955 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 694 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 562 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1078 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1056 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1067 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 996 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1175 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 1014 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 639 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 605 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 1021 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 1001 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 1012 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1074 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1121 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 970 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 1019 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 924 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1039 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1058 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 1002 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 1024 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1081 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 957 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 1015 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 938 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1177 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 603 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 617 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1155 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 976 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 967 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 920 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1171 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 1078 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 1056 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 1070 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 644 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 997 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1141 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 941 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 1012 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 1033 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 574 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 581 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 987 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 980 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 889 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 970 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 996 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 928 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 466 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 1071 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1530 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 1089 Views
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