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...it doesn't. That's why it's not the solution which offers the best prognosis. That was the point. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/09/2017 03:11:04 AM

If liposuction caused people with anorexia to report a better quality of life than any other option, as opposed to killing them, it would be the remedy of choice. Liposuction doesn't, however, make anorexia go away. Transitioning can make dysphoria go away. Transitioning causes people who suffer to report a better quality of life, and despite the hysterics from people screaming about "maiming," the people who are modifying their bodies generally seem to think their situation is an improvement.


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Altering your body because something is wrong with your brain isnt the way. I have no problem with adults doing with their bodies what they will, I have no issues with adults transitioning and becoming who they feel they are. But not children. Im a very different person than 12 year old me was, than 12 year old me thought I would be. It would be horrible if I physically changed something to fit who I thought I was or wanted to be at the time, only to grow into something that is entirely different, thereby harming myself forever because of a temporary state of mind in the most difficult period of change in my life.

I agree that the situation with children is very complex. I am not saying that 12 year olds should be transitioning.

But with regard to "altering your body because something is wrong with your brain," that's literally what medication does.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! Cannoli - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1362 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. Ghavrel - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 748 Views
Oh, for sure. TyrReborn - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 664 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 611 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 638 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 569 Views
Sigh TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 696 Views
Actually nossy - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 544 Views
You can't change your sex. Tom - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 942 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. nossy - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 546 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. Tom - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 692 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* nossy - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 341 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. Cannoli - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 690 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. nossy - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 538 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. Tom - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 582 Views
I did expect more nossy - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 616 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. Tom - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 620 Views
No, you did. nossy - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 599 Views
I agree with this. damookster - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 551 Views
Yeah, they are. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 578 Views
LOL damookster - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 587 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 619 Views
... yet. *NM* aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 362 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 564 Views
Don't forget.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 518 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. TyrReborn - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 548 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 609 Views
Nice strawman. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 527 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 384 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 647 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 533 Views
TyrReborn - 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 554 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... Legolas - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 586 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 517 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. Legolas - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 589 Views
You're not even making sense. TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 583 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 625 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! TyrReborn - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 512 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 363 Views
K. Get back to me when you want to actually have a discussion, then. *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:43:37 AM 359 Views
You should read up on OCD and hair dryers. Or really on mental illness at all. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2017 09:02:22 PM 339 Views
Oh yeah? Do they cause permanent damage to their bodies? *NM* TyrReborn - 16/09/2017 03:44:38 AM 318 Views
They cause permanent alterations to their bodies through the use of medicine. Ghavrel - 16/09/2017 07:11:57 AM 774 Views
Liposuction isn't an acceptable treatment for anorexia nervosa. AgentApple - 13/09/2017 11:08:07 AM 558 Views
It would be if it had the best prognosis for people with AN, though. Ghavrel - 13/09/2017 03:06:11 PM 582 Views
No it wouldnt. Anorexics very often are underweight to begin with. How does liposuction help? Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:53:33 AM 708 Views
...it doesn't. That's why it's not the solution which offers the best prognosis. That was the point. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:11:04 AM 611 Views
I've been thinking about this point.... Jeordam - 18/09/2017 07:00:49 PM 673 Views
You know what might make my anxiety and severe depression easier to manage? Millions of dollars. Hieshyn - 14/09/2017 01:40:09 AM 498 Views
Sure. That's a decent point. I think there needs to be a discussion about children. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 03:06:51 AM 328 Views
I don't it is a question of good or bad but if it should be celibrated and treated as normal random thoughts - 13/09/2017 08:56:34 PM 576 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... Jeordam - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 615 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* Tom - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 380 Views
So how to protect little Pat from aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 565 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. Legolas - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 529 Views
I missed that part.... Jeordam - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 524 Views
Yes. If you watch the whole video (15 mins), it's actually pretty nuanced and interesting. *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:10:07 PM 362 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 527 Views
Patrick, yes. Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 520 Views
Doctor shopping, of course aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 590 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* Legolas - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 356 Views
Because it's not wrong...? aerocontrols - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 551 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. Legolas - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 605 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system random thoughts - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 542 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! aerocontrols - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 469 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 605 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. LiterateDog - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 601 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. Ghavrel - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 649 Views
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