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I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. LiterateDog Send a noteboard - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM

To get beyond the issue of transgenderism and some of the arguments in other threads in this post, I'll mostly stick to just as in this case and the issue around it, but refrain from going into other aspects. I'm not sure how much I want to get into the brouhaha above. I certainly have opinions and thoughts on the matter, but for some reason usually tread lightly (which is not my usual MO, clearly) in regards to this issue. The "science" and current dogmas surrounding transgenderism are murky at best and we should proceed with great care. Transgenderism has been politically and socially weaponized. That doesn't serve anyone well except those with an agenda beyond what is best for people who identify themselves as transgender.

But, for this case and others like it, regardless of any facts/opinions/feelings regarding transgenderism, they are making extraordinary changes to a young person's body while relying on very little beyond that's how the kid currently feels. Kids change their mind on shit all the time. Believe me, I know from personal experience just on the much less divisive and more-settled issue of homosexuality. My cousin's kid was convinced he was gay as a young teen. I'm not sure why. Kid didn't want no dick then or now. He's currently got one kid and another on the way. Living full time in Gottahavepussyville. What if being gay meant you had to do something to "help" the kid back then? Might have fucked him up! (not that he's not already fucked up in other ways. that whole family belongs on the Maury Povich show, but that's a post for another time)

So, you bring in the far more murky world of transgenderism and it's a whole other shit show. I've read a seemingly well researched statistic that almost half of all minor boys who express themselves as feeling transgender later change their mind. Almost half. (I think around a quarter of girls "change their mind" ) But, if we're going to abrogate all adult responsibility and let what has a very good chance of being something that's not even lasting inform upon MAJOR, sometimes completely irreversible, changes to their bodies, we've gone way too far down the rabbit hole. That's completely FUBAR. Counseling? Yes. Allowing them dress how they want or say they're not their genetic sex? Whatevs. But hormones and surgery? Hell to the fucking no.

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WHAT. THE. SHIT?! - 11/09/2017 11:58:15 PM 1328 Views
As usual, I'm going to breeze past most of the nonsense here. - 12/09/2017 02:27:37 AM 718 Views
Oh, for sure. - 12/09/2017 10:55:59 PM 630 Views
Just like cancer--it's natural, so it can't be bad. - 13/09/2017 12:37:16 AM 581 Views
You say my argument isn't good, so you rebut with... that? - 13/09/2017 02:01:04 AM 609 Views
Are you familiar with the suicide rates of people experiencing dysphoria? - 13/09/2017 02:10:44 AM 545 Views
Sigh - 13/09/2017 04:28:34 AM 665 Views
Actually - 13/09/2017 12:46:03 PM 515 Views
You can't change your sex. - 13/09/2017 02:06:05 PM 913 Views
I'm not talking about DNA. - 13/09/2017 02:55:26 PM 518 Views
I wouldn't care, either, if not for the demand for official recognition. - 13/09/2017 03:41:34 PM 661 Views
What are they asking for that bothers you? *NM* - 13/09/2017 04:07:19 PM 317 Views
He repeatedly said so in his posts. - 13/09/2017 04:24:15 PM 655 Views
Yes, thank you for mansplaining. - 13/09/2017 05:23:59 PM 511 Views
Cannoli is right. I was pretty clear about what bothers me. - 13/09/2017 08:49:12 PM 556 Views
I did expect more - 13/09/2017 10:36:36 PM 584 Views
I thought I provided it. Adherence to logic, facts and reality. - 13/09/2017 10:41:39 PM 586 Views
No, you did. - 13/09/2017 11:16:18 PM 568 Views
I agree with this. - 13/09/2017 04:34:19 PM 522 Views
Yeah, they are. - 14/09/2017 03:29:07 AM 549 Views
LOL - 14/09/2017 06:06:28 AM 552 Views
You replace that "M" with an "L", and change the "no" to an "a".... - 14/09/2017 06:17:06 AM 587 Views
... yet. *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:26:56 PM 342 Views
Congratulations. You've begun arguing for transition. - 13/09/2017 03:08:32 PM 527 Views
Don't forget.... - 13/09/2017 07:27:41 PM 491 Views
I repeat, you do not fix your problems by maiming yourself. - 13/09/2017 09:56:36 PM 514 Views
So your suggestion is to keep the suicide rate staggeringly high. Excellent solution. - 13/09/2017 11:03:42 PM 580 Views
Nice strawman. - 14/09/2017 02:42:01 AM 495 Views
And in the meantime, while your miracle drugs and therapies are being developed... *NM* - 14/09/2017 03:08:55 AM 367 Views
Don't allow them to maim themselves. It's that simple. I don't get why you don't get it. - 14/09/2017 03:18:20 AM 612 Views
Because you're saying "don't do this thing that makes you less likely to kill yourself." - 14/09/2017 05:46:13 AM 500 Views
- 14/09/2017 05:19:40 PM 525 Views
In fairness to Ghavrel... - 14/09/2017 11:15:04 PM 548 Views
Oh, thank you! Your hyperbolic sarcasm has opened my eyes! - 15/09/2017 06:28:35 AM 486 Views
I thought your latest replies were slacking off a bit, so I resumed your best arguments from before. - 15/09/2017 07:22:04 AM 560 Views
You're not even making sense. - 15/09/2017 05:46:04 PM 552 Views
If only stamina were enough to win a debate. - 15/09/2017 08:00:26 PM 597 Views
Oh! Haha! I don't know how I missed the humor there! - 15/09/2017 08:42:50 PM 484 Views
Yeah, most people feel that way when they're being mocked. *NM* - 15/09/2017 09:00:32 PM 341 Views
This is pretty sad on multiple levels.... - 12/09/2017 10:45:17 PM 585 Views
Transgenderism is the Twenty First Century's phrenology *NM* - 13/09/2017 12:25:29 AM 364 Views
So how to protect little Pat from - 13/09/2017 04:32:44 PM 533 Views
You seem either confused on what that means, or leaping to rather unjustified conclusions. - 13/09/2017 06:29:47 PM 498 Views
I missed that part.... - 13/09/2017 07:00:17 PM 493 Views
Not confused about the syndrome. Was the kid in the article/news segment named 'Pat'? - 13/09/2017 07:06:08 PM 497 Views
Patrick, yes. - 13/09/2017 07:08:37 PM 493 Views
Doctor shopping, of course - 13/09/2017 07:24:20 PM 558 Views
I doubt it's that easy. But what makes this different from other conditions in that regard? *NM* - 13/09/2017 07:34:30 PM 340 Views
Because it's not wrong...? - 15/09/2017 05:53:24 PM 517 Views
I suppose. I meant on the doctors approving treatment side. - 15/09/2017 08:10:59 PM 574 Views
That is one of the draw back of the US medical system - 18/09/2017 05:02:38 PM 514 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! - 13/09/2017 07:07:08 PM 439 Views
You ain't lyin' about that. - 14/09/2017 04:06:48 AM 573 Views
I find the things they're doing with young people on this issue very troubling. - 14/09/2017 03:58:05 AM 572 Views
I think this is an eminently reasonable viewpoint. - 14/09/2017 05:49:00 AM 622 Views

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