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This is where I disagree. Jeordam Send a noteboard - 27/09/2019 04:35:43 PM

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It does not matter who the whistler blower was or what his motivation was since it is the facts not the accusation that is at issue. The president of the United States used his position and foreign aid to pressure a foreign leader to find dirt on the family of a political rival. It disgust me that republicans have become so cowed by the Trump personality cultist they are willing to act like this behavior is OK. Even if all of Trumps accusations didn't come from far right wacko sources it wouldn't be OK.

The republican party has lost its values and its center and has become a party that is defined by what it against while offer nothing positive.

It matters very much who the whistler blower is and what their motivation is. These things matter very much. Why? Because it goes to the heart of how they have characterized what they said. Is this a person with an ax to grind? If what they are saying is true, how come the people listening in on the call didn't issue the report?

And then honestly, I'm having a big problem trusting anything that comes from that place. Why? Because we've already seen evidence of there a existing a demonstrated bias against him. I'm not talking about the conspiracy, deep state nonsense. I'm talking about the actual stuff that we've seen from different FBI people, the out of the blue "I wanted to talk decades after the fact" accusations that have no evidence. Trump couldn't step over a piece of trash on a pathway without factions of the media blowing that up into a big story. Do you not remember when his wife didn't hold his hand much? There were constant stories about their marriage falling apart. Do you not see that anything that can be perceived wrong is automatically taking to the Nth degree of perceived wrong.

Even in this very instance, putting the call on a different, more secure database is seen as hiding the call. But one could see it as also being a national security thing. One could see him asking for an investigation on a political rival...while one could also see it as investigating the questionable actions of a previous administration so that Justice can be served.

I would say that both perceptions are not fully true, and instead the truth is somewhere in the middle. However that is not the world we live in. I am no fan of much of what Trump says/does. However I am not one to judge the man's heart. I am not qualified to do that. Instead I can look at his actions, and then witness the actions of those who hate him. I find way more fault with the actions of those who hate him.


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Really? Nothing on the current Ukraine-Trump thing? Color me shocked. *NM* - 26/09/2019 07:32:13 PM 423 Views
My thoughts in a short video clip form. - 26/09/2019 08:09:32 PM 112 Views
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This is where I disagree. - 27/09/2019 04:35:43 PM 105 Views
You do realize that we're now going by the White House's own summary? - 27/09/2019 07:30:59 PM 104 Views
Yes, I do realize that. - 27/09/2019 07:46:10 PM 92 Views
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Simmer down - 27/09/2019 08:33:14 PM 101 Views
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I don't smoke. But you are is not your country. *NM* - 27/09/2019 09:57:27 PM 61 Views
You truly are hopeless. - 28/09/2019 01:12:52 AM 111 Views
Your spidey-senses were accurate. I was indeed thinking of doing so. - 28/09/2019 02:36:01 PM 101 Views
You do realize the whistle blower had no direct information in the complaint, right? - 27/09/2019 07:51:19 PM 107 Views
And? - 27/09/2019 09:34:31 PM 110 Views
Truth! Great Post - *NM* - 01/10/2019 02:12:50 AM 55 Views
The biggest conundrum for Republicans... - 27/09/2019 04:10:16 PM 126 Views
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That isn't the standard for "real evidence" - 27/09/2019 08:06:48 PM 103 Views
That may be but he has a point. - 27/09/2019 09:09:02 PM 102 Views
That's what I said... - 27/09/2019 09:14:14 PM 97 Views
On a less depressing subject - 27/09/2019 09:35:26 PM 105 Views
Amrut is awesome - 27/09/2019 09:54:20 PM 96 Views
Yes, that was on the label. - 27/09/2019 10:10:00 PM 101 Views
Well, at least you're honest. - 27/09/2019 08:00:39 PM 110 Views

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