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That's what I said... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/09/2019 09:14:14 PM

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Clinton clearly perjured himself. But 2/3 of the Senate couldn't bring themselves to remove him from office for lying about cheating on his wife.

Andrew Johnson violated a law passed by Congress specifically drafted to prevent him from doing what he did. He did it anyway, so they impeached him. The Senate did not convict him - the 35-19 vote in favor of conviction was 1 vote short of the required 2/3.

Given those 2 precedents, do you really believe 2/3 of the Senate would vote to convict Trump for this?


No. I absolutely don't believe the Senate will vote to convict. I was just pointing out that that isn't because Trump isn't going to be proved guilty by any reasonable standard. It's because impeachment is an inherently political process, and truth always takes a back seat, exactly as you pointed out.

This is why it is truly insane that the United States has insulated the President from criminal charges while in office. And the political need to not appear to be attacking your rivals will keep them insulated after they leave too. Which makes it true that a President can truly do whenever they want, in office, and so long as they maintain sufficient political support, they'll remain above the law.

It's such a glaring hole that claiming the US has functional checks and balances is an absolute joke.

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Really? Nothing on the current Ukraine-Trump thing? Color me shocked. *NM* TyrReborn - 26/09/2019 07:32:13 PM 423 Views
My thoughts in a short video clip form. Roland00 - 26/09/2019 08:09:32 PM 112 Views
I would have put up something if I expected a different result from before fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 09:32:56 PM 122 Views
This. *NM* Legolas - 26/09/2019 09:56:29 PM 62 Views
So every conversation you have in life.... Jeordam - 26/09/2019 10:50:09 PM 120 Views
Not with people like you. Not anymore fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 11:47:04 PM 112 Views
That's the actual debate, isn't it? Jeordam - 26/09/2019 10:48:12 PM 118 Views
Yes, you're missing things. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 11:51:34 PM 117 Views
Of course you are but you already knew that random thoughts - 27/09/2019 02:00:22 PM 132 Views
Hmmm... Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:20:05 PM 109 Views
What is different than before is two things Roland00 - 26/09/2019 11:59:33 PM 116 Views
We're talking about different differences... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:10:47 PM 100 Views
many Republicans I know feel exactly the same *NM* damookster - 27/09/2019 08:57:57 PM 58 Views
But few will say it out straight fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:21:28 PM 97 Views
I don't know this answer and any one who says they know this answer is lying to you even if their Roland00 - 28/09/2019 12:29:39 AM 89 Views
A complete tempest in a teacup. Tom - 26/09/2019 10:01:09 PM 128 Views
The Trump apologist are circling the wagons random thoughts - 27/09/2019 01:49:20 PM 130 Views
This is where I disagree. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:35:43 PM 105 Views
You do realize that we're now going by the White House's own summary? Legolas - 27/09/2019 07:30:59 PM 104 Views
Yes, I do realize that. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 07:46:10 PM 92 Views
What would you do when everything you say will always be taken in the worst light?- private email? fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 07:58:19 PM 98 Views
Simmer down Jeordam - 27/09/2019 08:33:14 PM 101 Views
ROFL. You truly are hopeless. Enjoy smoking whatever you're smoking. Thankfully, its not my country fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:09:43 PM 102 Views
I don't smoke. But you are correct....it is not your country. *NM* Jeordam - 27/09/2019 09:57:27 PM 61 Views
You truly are hopeless. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 01:12:52 AM 111 Views
Your spidey-senses were accurate. I was indeed thinking of doing so. damookster - 28/09/2019 02:36:01 PM 101 Views
You do realize the whistle blower had no direct information in the complaint, right? Tom - 27/09/2019 07:51:19 PM 107 Views
And? Legolas - 27/09/2019 09:34:31 PM 110 Views
"I have no idea what 'fishing' has to do with anything." You wouldn't. Tom - 27/09/2019 10:11:54 PM 112 Views
So you're saying any whistleblower complaint based on second hand information... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 11:44:57 PM 105 Views
It doesn't matter Roland00 - 28/09/2019 06:02:07 AM 91 Views
Also just as a reminder we have precedent here with the impeachment of Federal Judge Walter Nixon. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 07:38:19 PM 94 Views
A secret database, you mean a secret server? A server full of e-mails? *NM* Roland00 - 28/09/2019 05:55:21 AM 55 Views
Truth! Great Post - *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/10/2019 02:12:50 AM 55 Views
The biggest conundrum for Republicans... damookster - 27/09/2019 04:10:16 PM 126 Views
Likewise.... Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:24:03 PM 98 Views
You're drastically overstating how much impact Trump, or any president, has on the economy. Legolas - 27/09/2019 07:11:54 PM 112 Views
Long term verses short term damookster - 27/09/2019 07:33:01 PM 110 Views
And I'm not willing to gamble on that rebound. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 07:55:19 PM 98 Views
You know they're going to have to hit the middle class with massive taxes for this Tom - 27/09/2019 08:31:09 PM 105 Views
Bernie clearly stated on Colbert the other night that his health care taxes would start... damookster - 28/09/2019 03:16:43 PM 100 Views
Hun you have the senate to be the shock absorber on the rebound. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 02:15:20 AM 91 Views
If all of that actually happened like that, okay. Legolas - 27/09/2019 10:01:26 PM 106 Views
"the worst, most corrupt and most offensive president in American history" - Harding is back? Tom - 27/09/2019 07:54:13 PM 104 Views
What makes Trump the most corrupt in you opinion ? AgentApple - 29/09/2019 02:35:25 PM 101 Views
Trump won't be removed from office absent real evidence of high crimes Tom - 27/09/2019 07:52:56 PM 112 Views
That isn't the standard for "real evidence" fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:06:48 PM 103 Views
That may be but he has a point. damookster - 27/09/2019 09:09:02 PM 102 Views
That's what I said... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:14:14 PM 98 Views
On a less depressing subject damookster - 27/09/2019 09:35:26 PM 105 Views
Amrut is awesome fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:54:20 PM 96 Views
Yes, that was on the label. damookster - 27/09/2019 10:10:00 PM 101 Views
Well, at least you're honest. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:00:39 PM 110 Views
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