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That's what I said... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/09/2019 09:14:14 PM

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Clinton clearly perjured himself. But 2/3 of the Senate couldn't bring themselves to remove him from office for lying about cheating on his wife.

Andrew Johnson violated a law passed by Congress specifically drafted to prevent him from doing what he did. He did it anyway, so they impeached him. The Senate did not convict him - the 35-19 vote in favor of conviction was 1 vote short of the required 2/3.

Given those 2 precedents, do you really believe 2/3 of the Senate would vote to convict Trump for this?


No. I absolutely don't believe the Senate will vote to convict. I was just pointing out that that isn't because Trump isn't going to be proved guilty by any reasonable standard. It's because impeachment is an inherently political process, and truth always takes a back seat, exactly as you pointed out.

This is why it is truly insane that the United States has insulated the President from criminal charges while in office. And the political need to not appear to be attacking your rivals will keep them insulated after they leave too. Which makes it true that a President can truly do whenever they want, in office, and so long as they maintain sufficient political support, they'll remain above the law.

It's such a glaring hole that claiming the US has functional checks and balances is an absolute joke.

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Really? Nothing on the current Ukraine-Trump thing? Color me shocked. *NM* TyrReborn - 26/09/2019 07:32:13 PM 571 Views
My thoughts in a short video clip form. Roland00 - 26/09/2019 08:09:32 PM 414 Views
I would have put up something if I expected a different result from before fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 09:32:56 PM 389 Views
This. *NM* Legolas - 26/09/2019 09:56:29 PM 192 Views
So every conversation you have in life.... Jeordam - 26/09/2019 10:50:09 PM 425 Views
Not with people like you. Not anymore fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 11:47:04 PM 403 Views
That's the actual debate, isn't it? Jeordam - 26/09/2019 10:48:12 PM 429 Views
Yes, you're missing things. fionwe1987 - 26/09/2019 11:51:34 PM 422 Views
Of course you are but you already knew that random thoughts - 27/09/2019 02:00:22 PM 424 Views
Hmmm... Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:20:05 PM 384 Views
What is different than before is two things Roland00 - 26/09/2019 11:59:33 PM 421 Views
We're talking about different differences... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:10:47 PM 379 Views
many Republicans I know feel exactly the same *NM* damookster - 27/09/2019 08:57:57 PM 198 Views
But few will say it out straight fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:21:28 PM 369 Views
I don't know this answer and any one who says they know this answer is lying to you even if their Roland00 - 28/09/2019 12:29:39 AM 363 Views
A complete tempest in a teacup. Tom - 26/09/2019 10:01:09 PM 418 Views
The Trump apologist are circling the wagons random thoughts - 27/09/2019 01:49:20 PM 449 Views
This is where I disagree. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:35:43 PM 405 Views
You do realize that we're now going by the White House's own summary? Legolas - 27/09/2019 07:30:59 PM 379 Views
Yes, I do realize that. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 07:46:10 PM 380 Views
What would you do when everything you say will always be taken in the worst light?- private email? fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 07:58:19 PM 379 Views
Simmer down Jeordam - 27/09/2019 08:33:14 PM 375 Views
ROFL. You truly are hopeless. Enjoy smoking whatever you're smoking. Thankfully, its not my country fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:09:43 PM 416 Views
I don't smoke. But you are correct....it is not your country. *NM* Jeordam - 27/09/2019 09:57:27 PM 195 Views
You truly are hopeless. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 01:12:52 AM 447 Views
Your spidey-senses were accurate. I was indeed thinking of doing so. damookster - 28/09/2019 02:36:01 PM 367 Views
You do realize the whistle blower had no direct information in the complaint, right? Tom - 27/09/2019 07:51:19 PM 403 Views
And? Legolas - 27/09/2019 09:34:31 PM 402 Views
"I have no idea what 'fishing' has to do with anything." You wouldn't. Tom - 27/09/2019 10:11:54 PM 393 Views
So you're saying any whistleblower complaint based on second hand information... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 11:44:57 PM 387 Views
It doesn't matter Roland00 - 28/09/2019 06:02:07 AM 380 Views
Also just as a reminder we have precedent here with the impeachment of Federal Judge Walter Nixon. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 07:38:19 PM 389 Views
A secret database, you mean a secret server? A server full of e-mails? *NM* Roland00 - 28/09/2019 05:55:21 AM 189 Views
Truth! Great Post - *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/10/2019 02:12:50 AM 207 Views
The biggest conundrum for Republicans... damookster - 27/09/2019 04:10:16 PM 464 Views
Likewise.... Jeordam - 27/09/2019 04:24:03 PM 366 Views
You're drastically overstating how much impact Trump, or any president, has on the economy. Legolas - 27/09/2019 07:11:54 PM 429 Views
Long term verses short term damookster - 27/09/2019 07:33:01 PM 414 Views
And I'm not willing to gamble on that rebound. Jeordam - 27/09/2019 07:55:19 PM 399 Views
You know they're going to have to hit the middle class with massive taxes for this Tom - 27/09/2019 08:31:09 PM 360 Views
Bernie clearly stated on Colbert the other night that his health care taxes would start... damookster - 28/09/2019 03:16:43 PM 376 Views
Hun you have the senate to be the shock absorber on the rebound. Roland00 - 28/09/2019 02:15:20 AM 382 Views
If all of that actually happened like that, okay. Legolas - 27/09/2019 10:01:26 PM 396 Views
"the worst, most corrupt and most offensive president in American history" - Harding is back? Tom - 27/09/2019 07:54:13 PM 407 Views
What makes Trump the most corrupt in you opinion ? AgentApple - 29/09/2019 02:35:25 PM 485 Views
Trump won't be removed from office absent real evidence of high crimes Tom - 27/09/2019 07:52:56 PM 409 Views
That isn't the standard for "real evidence" fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:06:48 PM 375 Views
That may be but he has a point. damookster - 27/09/2019 09:09:02 PM 391 Views
That's what I said... fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:14:14 PM 371 Views
On a less depressing subject damookster - 27/09/2019 09:35:26 PM 380 Views
Amrut is awesome fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 09:54:20 PM 353 Views
Yes, that was on the label. damookster - 27/09/2019 10:10:00 PM 371 Views
Well, at least you're honest. fionwe1987 - 27/09/2019 08:00:39 PM 356 Views
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