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"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM

I thought the Democrats were the pro-choice party of bodily autonomy? That is, I suppose, unless you're talking about Covid-19, then of course your body is is yours as long as you agree to do what the government says is in the public interest.

I find these reactions to legislating from the bench amusing. It was in fact Democrats and social liberals who realized that they could force their unpalatable legislative agendas on the people through the courts in the 1960s - and subsequently did so for the last 60 years.

It has only been in the last 20 years or so that conservatives and Republicans have started using the same tactic - to mixed results, mostly. Now that conservatives are taking a page out of the liberal playbook and trying to legislate through the courts, there is righteous liberal indignation. But when liberals were doing it, it was just and proper and right.

A rollback of Planned Parenthood v. Casey (or Roe, for that matter) wouldn't be denying women a fundamental right, it would be affirming no such right ever existed in the Constitution (which of course, it did not). Modern day liberal justices act like Howard Carter, discovering "rights" all over the Constitution like Carter found King Tut's tomb. The Constitution, however, doesn't work that way. Rights not enumerated can be granted and guaranteed, but by the legislature, not the Constitution. The problem is liberals realize that, in many states, their opinions are in the minority. So because the legislatures would never grant them the rights they believe they should have, they try to find those rights in the text of the constitution, in order to force unpalatable legislative views on an unwanting populous.

At the end of the day, the reason so many states have been attempting to restrict access to abortion is because the people living in those states don't believe that abortion is right or is a right. The people should be the ones to decide whether it is or is not legal, whether it is or is not a right.

Hopefully the courts put an end to this circus by doing the right thing: overturning blatantly unconstitutional precedent (for all of you about to scream about stare decisis, don't forget that rigid adherence to stare decisis would have never led to civil rights) and allowing the people to decide for themselves.

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1002 Views
that is the trouble here - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 226 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 191 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 192 Views
The issue is abortion. - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 174 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 177 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 171 Views
I think that is enough for the day - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 171 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 205 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 193 Views
Uhhh - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 175 Views
I mean, yeah. - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 159 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 196 Views
Broad popular support? - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 180 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 204 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 183 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 191 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 197 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 165 Views
And I am problematizing your claim - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 160 Views
Theodicy - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 198 Views
Re: Theodicy - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 178 Views
and yet... - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 190 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 182 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 159 Views
Have not had a drink yet. - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 161 Views
Leaked draft opinion - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 203 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 183 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 163 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 175 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 183 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 170 Views
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He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 157 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 140 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 139 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 164 Views
Precisely. - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 135 Views
Obvious intent my ass - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 163 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 173 Views
I cannot commit treason - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 166 Views
Neither am I. - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 156 Views
Projecting what? - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 150 Views
Is this a parody account? - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 165 Views
Nope. - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 157 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 144 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 169 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 151 Views
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Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 146 Views
actually, Trump was impeached - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 159 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 147 Views
you wrote: - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 144 Views
Ummm - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 151 Views
Interesting is one word for it... - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 154 Views
That's your thought.... - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 186 Views
Hardly just mine - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 150 Views
Interesting... - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 180 Views
Roe has restrictions - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 147 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 156 Views
Nice try - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 139 Views
No one said that, and you know it... - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 144 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 154 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 198 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 157 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 159 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 145 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 147 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 147 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 149 Views
Roe imposed nothing - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 150 Views
Actually, it does impose - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 215 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 156 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 164 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 141 Views
States rights regulate individual rights - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 177 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 157 Views
Cool - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 165 Views
So our state energy grid - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 158 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 169 Views
Are you off your meds? - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 152 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 139 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 134 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 131 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 148 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 153 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 143 Views
Who the fuck cares? - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 171 Views
Parody account strikes back! - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 142 Views
a few final thoughts - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 233 Views
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I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 146 Views
He really is wonderful. - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 165 Views
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History and Histrionic or perhaps - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 144 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 266 Views
There is an easy answer for you. - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 155 Views

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