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I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli Send a noteboard - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM


If this is all cannoli said, that would be something.
The wall of poop he spewed, on the other hand, is filled with so much classic slut

Is there another word for a person who engages in sex with people they don't want to have kids with?
shaming that it verges on parody.

As for your own formulation here... Yes, there's a divide on whether people believe the fetus is alive or not. But that line completely ignores that the presence of a fetus in a person's womb doesn't mean they consented to it. Rape sperm, statements to the contrary aside, is not rejected by the vagina

So how does the neat division of fetus:human life or not play out in this scenario?

Human, dumbass. That's why consent doesn't matter. Abortion is not a question of responsibility or whether or not you deserve the pregnancy, it is about a living human being.
How does it play out where the life of a woman is threatened by continuing the pregnancy?
Again, this has been firmly established. If an necessary life-saving medical treatment might or even certainly will result the death of the fetus, that fetus has as much right to life as a trespasser on your property does in civilized states with castle laws. If an abortion is deemed necessary for her mental health, by a psychiatrist who double-majored in women's studies, then she goes into restraints until the baby is born and then the issue of self-harm can be revisited.
If you believe a fetus is a human being, neither of these should matter. However, it then requires you to see the woman as less than human.
That's like saying the would-be recipient of an involuntarily donated organ is less than human. The potential benefit from a crime is not a licit benefit. A pregnancy is a temporary condition, in the case of rape, no different from an injury from an assault that takes 9 months to heal. And abortion in defense of your bodily autonomy is no different from murdering an infant in order to speed up that recovery time.
So you give me a morally consistent way to behave if you believe the fetus is a live human, and then we'll talk.

We've only been saying this stuff for decades, but per my opening point in my first response, you keep pretending you didn't hear or don't understand it.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1326 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 544 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 570 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 483 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 511 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 458 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 465 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 437 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 472 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 485 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 492 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 459 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 465 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 517 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 467 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 524 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 477 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 516 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 501 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 459 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 719 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 485 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 451 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 483 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 303 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 518 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 480 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 504 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 482 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 444 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 453 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 511 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 531 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 525 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 493 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 439 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 477 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 495 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 486 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 440 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 492 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 454 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 426 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 409 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 475 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 417 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 460 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 445 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 452 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 457 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 453 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 449 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 430 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 447 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 449 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 442 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 464 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 477 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 452 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 473 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 405 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 419 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 436 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 485 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 420 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 474 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 438 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 467 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 410 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 436 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 441 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 487 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 462 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 464 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 458 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 441 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 419 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 459 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 424 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 468 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 669 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 442 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 471 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 448 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 479 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 473 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 473 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 451 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 490 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 413 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 405 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 439 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 461 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 423 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 437 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 459 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 453 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 491 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 426 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 516 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 472 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 309 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 476 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 273 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 439 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 279 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 273 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 477 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 562 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 477 Views
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