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An abortion imposes a real and direct right to life for the unborn child. The woman is imposing her will on another.
An abortion imposes a real and direct right to life for the unborn child. The woman is imposing her will on another.
It’s your view that there is “another” here. Neither science nor law says that. And if in fact a fetus is a person, vast swathes of American law make no sense.
That fetus is a distinct individual from the woman. They are connected, but it is temporary.
And abortion is specifically focused on that temporary connection. The day you’re able to incubate a fetus in an artificial womb, and that’s not as far away as this used to be, you’d have a different case. But even then, what forms inside a woman’s body is hers to keep or not. The law has no business inside her.
She should have no more of a legal right to have it killed, then she should if she took her 2yr old by the hand, walked into a clinic, and had the child dismembered while he was moving around trying to get away.
Two year olds are inside women, now?
Not a bit of that is hyperbolic in the least. This is how a D&C is done in the second trimester. You know...that 15th week everyone is fond of talking about.
No, it really is not.
That is the debate. Whether a person (doesn't matter who) has the right to kill someone else. That debate is predicated upon the debate of when is someone a person. You've spoken multiple times about this being a religious thing. I don't need a belief/faith system to debate this at all.
~Jeordam
You can reach whatever conclusion you want, based on faith or otherwise, for yourself. You have no right to insist everyone must buy your argument.
Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country
- 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM
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Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this
- 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM
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"The party of "bodily autonomy""
- 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM
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That is a perverts motte and bailey argument
- 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM
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The issue is abortion.
- 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM
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Tell me your feelings about Lochner
- 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM
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I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here...
- 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM
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You can't have your cake and eat it too.
- 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM
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Uhhh
- 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM
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I mean, yeah.
- 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM
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Cannoli is not wrong.
- 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM
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Was the Catholic Church EVIL .
- 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM
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As a general rule...
- 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM
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Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.
- 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM
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The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres
- 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM
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Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment.
- 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM
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And I am problematizing your claim
- 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM
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hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM*
- 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM
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Theodicy
- 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM
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and yet...
- 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM
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What is the Andrea Dworkin line again?
- 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM
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You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another.
- 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM
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I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues.
- 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM
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Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue.
- 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM
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Leaked draft opinion
- 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM
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John Roberts confirms it is real
- 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM
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Results were leaked, not opinions.
- 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM
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If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so.
- 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM
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You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous
- 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM
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There's a very simple alternate reason
- 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM
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“Wants to get the word out there ASAP”
- 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM
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Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP”
- 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM
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He said, not coming up with any retort of his own.
- 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM
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Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision
- 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM
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Obvious intent my ass
- 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM
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Treasonous Pieces of Junk
- 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM
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I cannot commit treason
- 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM
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Neither am I.
- 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM
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Projecting what?
- 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM
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Is this a parody account?
- 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM
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Go look up what it means to “project”
- 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM
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Stop shifting the goalposts
- 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM
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actually, Trump was impeached
- 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM
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Interesting is one word for it...
- 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM
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That's your thought....
- 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM
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Hardly just mine
- 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM
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So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life...
- 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM
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Nice try
- 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM
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No one said that, and you know it...
- 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM
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Well that's a lot of empty noise
- 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM
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Then stop listening to yourself…
- 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM
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Serious reading comprehension fail here...
- 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM
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Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account
- 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM
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That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA
- 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM
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And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice...
- 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM
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Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong.
- 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM
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Roe imposed nothing
- 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM
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Actually, it does impose
- 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM
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Re: Actually, it does impose
- 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM
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Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it.
- 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM
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States rights do not trump individual rights
- 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM
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States rights regulate individual rights
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I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant.
- 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM
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Cool
- 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM
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So our state energy grid
- 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM
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Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before
- 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM
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Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time.
- 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM
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Are you off your meds?
- 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM
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I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors.
- 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM
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You're literally arguing with yourself.
- 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM
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That is precisely what I am afraid of
- 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM
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That can literally be flipped right on to the other side.
- 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM
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Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution
- 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM
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a few final thoughts
- 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM
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In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened.
- 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM
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*NM*
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing
- 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM
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Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM*
- 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM
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The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me...
- 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM
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