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Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM

Your Twitter buddies aside, there's no serious political conversation about banning all guns or repealing the Second Amendment.

Neither is needed to prevent the massive number of gun deaths in America. And no, arguing that tougher laws don't 100% prevent gun violence isn't a meaningful argument. Laws aren't acceptable only if they work 100% of the time.

Britain and Australia pretty much ended most private gun ownership and their rates of gun violence fatalities are significantly lower.

But Canada is far from banning guns, but still has a fraction of gun deaths compared to America, and that's a reasonable model for America to follow.

Every time we get another mass shooting, you don't see calls for banning guns, here, you see calls to regulate them, overwhelmed by arguments that gun violence shouldn't be politicized, an absurd statement, followed by any attempts at national regulation getting ranked by absolutists who will accept no kind of regulation.

There aren't two equal sides both being ornery and absurd. Stop trying to claim there is, because all that does is allow you to shrug your shoulder and move on from yet another mass killing.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 2231 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 843 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 856 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 868 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 778 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 908 Views
Yes - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 769 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 846 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 817 Views
In such a way - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 821 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 880 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 833 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 1018 Views
Remarkable - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 837 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 788 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 828 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 937 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 751 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 931 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 805 Views
You just don’t get it. - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 996 Views
I think the same of you... - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 783 Views
Article VI, Clause II - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 956 Views
You're like a broken record. - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 904 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 821 Views
And? - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 763 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 812 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 725 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 918 Views
whooops *NM* - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 453 Views
Oh, fuck off. - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 883 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 883 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 810 Views
*NM* - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 393 Views
It is not - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 803 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 774 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 767 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 764 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 761 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 792 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 952 Views
How would the world be different - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 816 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 1028 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 775 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 936 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 786 Views
You're one of those men. - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 913 Views
Hypocrisy - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 742 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 796 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 855 Views
You started with Foreclosure - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 817 Views
Foreclosure, huh - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 809 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 408 Views
One more thing - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 803 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 753 Views
Did I trigger you? - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 690 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 748 Views
I pretty much agree. - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 941 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 373 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 818 Views
Bah - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 846 Views
Baseball twitter is bad - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 687 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 879 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 824 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 780 Views
I disagree. - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 735 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 861 Views
They already lost their balls. - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 769 Views
I am glad you protect your family - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 793 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 805 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 886 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 939 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 762 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 865 Views
I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 737 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 834 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 950 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 726 Views
I wasn’t and will not. - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 734 Views
We would scare them off that is what - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 725 Views
You chose wisely - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 799 Views
You did not. My apologies. - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 750 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 800 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 779 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 743 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 928 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 814 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 962 Views
Interesting - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 813 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 840 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 719 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 723 Views
What about trans-men - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 867 Views
an intriguing question - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 772 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 815 Views
Can the 21 year olds - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 758 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 779 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 879 Views
my bad - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 835 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 1027 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 900 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 733 Views
It gets darker and darker - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 871 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 430 Views

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