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You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster Send a noteboard - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM

Yes, gun deaths per capita are down compared to the bad old days of the 70s and 80s. But that steady decline turned back upwards as the pandemic restrictions eased. So, down relative to years ago but up compared to 2019.

That’s the problem with data. Often perspective changes interpretation.

Mook

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 2126 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 768 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 801 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 785 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 721 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 826 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 715 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 773 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 741 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 750 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 802 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 755 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 890 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 758 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 736 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 755 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 837 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 692 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 829 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 733 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 861 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 728 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 832 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 803 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 753 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 715 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 738 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 673 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 840 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 410 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 793 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 810 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 736 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 370 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 773 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 739 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 453 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 728 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 723 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 712 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 708 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 698 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 731 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 827 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 769 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 888 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 718 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 821 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 728 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 812 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 691 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 727 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 761 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 739 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 731 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 371 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 746 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 705 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 641 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 418 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 360 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 695 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 814 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 345 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 726 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 771 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 649 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 798 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 733 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 723 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 682 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 682 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 650 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 766 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 763 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 714 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 713 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 732 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 780 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 813 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 705 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 767 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 690 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 755 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 853 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 673 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 680 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 661 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 727 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 693 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 730 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 702 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 689 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 827 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 734 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 830 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 730 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 743 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 663 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 675 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 770 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 711 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 738 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 704 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 377 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 722 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 783 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 753 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 736 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 800 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 898 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 826 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 676 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 769 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 390 Views
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