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No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM

To you, the position "we have more kids dying at the end of a gun at school than any other advanced nation, but there are constitutional limits that prevent us from doing much about it" is a rational view. Whether you hold it or not, you give it the deference of a rational position that must be debated respectfully.

To me, that view is insanity. A Constitution exists to protect people. It's not just not sacred, it is very much meant to be contradicted and modified to meet the demands of the moment.

But kids are dying. I think you'll find plenty of people "on the other side" of this not just willing but desperate to at least pass compromise legislation. Forget repealing the Second Amendment, forget going to back to the previous interpretation that it wasn't referring to an individual right to bear arms... Forget anything that would be momentous and big. Do the basics, and plenty of people are desperate enough they'll vote for it, because their constituents will not stomach anything else.

But you don't get to hold to the position that there's irrationality on both sides, bad faith on both sides, and there's some symmetry here between the positions, and not trigger a response.

If that's tough for you to handle, that's your prerogative. But on the day I have to tell my nephew of 8 that no, school from home isn't actually preferable, even though he's not wrong to be scared about a shooting in his classroom...on a day like that, like fuck I'm going to let that kind of smug bullshit fly.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 1947 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 656 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 607 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 661 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 625 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 681 Views
Yes - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 612 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 641 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 622 Views
In such a way - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 621 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 629 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 645 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 702 Views
Remarkable - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 632 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 620 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 632 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 609 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 593 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 683 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 629 Views
You just don’t get it. - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 687 Views
I think the same of you... - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 637 Views
Article VI, Clause II - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 653 Views
You're like a broken record. - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 645 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 659 Views
And? - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 621 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 655 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 594 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 635 Views
whooops *NM* - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 339 Views
Oh, fuck off. - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 655 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 622 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 624 Views
*NM* - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 322 Views
It is not - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 618 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 616 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 633 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 635 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 601 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 636 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 661 Views
How would the world be different - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 640 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 736 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 614 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 637 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 629 Views
You're one of those men. - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 661 Views
Hypocrisy - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 601 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 632 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 627 Views
You started with Foreclosure - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 608 Views
Foreclosure, huh - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 618 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 299 Views
One more thing - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 614 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 611 Views
Did I trigger you? - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 568 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 611 Views
I pretty much agree. - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 669 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 301 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 594 Views
Bah - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 627 Views
Baseball twitter is bad - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 563 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 661 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 591 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 632 Views
I disagree. - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 600 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 630 Views
They already lost their balls. - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 633 Views
I am glad you protect your family - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 604 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 611 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 657 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 650 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 621 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 626 Views
I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 595 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 629 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 673 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 609 Views
I wasn’t and will not. - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 594 Views
We would scare them off that is what - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 584 Views
You chose wisely - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 608 Views
You did not. My apologies. - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 593 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 617 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 599 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 596 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 679 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 617 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 682 Views
Interesting - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 627 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 619 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 591 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 604 Views
What about trans-men - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 645 Views
an intriguing question - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 629 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 621 Views
Can the 21 year olds - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 620 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 639 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 663 Views
my bad - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 619 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 697 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 694 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 603 Views
It gets darker and darker - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 634 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 312 Views

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