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What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat Send a noteboard - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM

As I, FT and others already pointed out, Stephen's death made absolutely no sense. Even if Stephen was targeted, any anti-Vampire / anti-foreigner faction would've been better off using the NK on Yuna, who was also revealed as Vampire at that time. As FT said, and I also already mentioned yesterDay I think, that would've lead to at least one, and if they're lucky (no replacement could be found, and/or Yuna had the wrong sort of information to replace), two less vampires.

But what if Stephen wasn't the target at all? With the large number of unusual roles, having one redirector or whatever counts as a bus driver in this town, would not be a very large leap. In-game, magicians would be able to do this pretty easily (screwing with the mind of one player to make them target another), maybe the Patrician (ordering them somewhere else)? In the case of a redirector, it might be a random redirect (which ended up with Stephen), or it may even be deliberate. Substituting Stephen for someone else could make sense for a pro-town player: whatever nefarious deeds someone would have done to another player is now directed to a man with a death warrant.

In the case of a redirector: if you know who you targeted during that Night, you know who killed Stephen and is thus a candidate for Lynching. In the case of a bus driver, it's likely more to protect someone else, who was an obvious target.

With the manner of Stephen's death, which indicated to me something REALLY large falling on top of several buildings, I don't get a very "normal" scum faction feel. More of a "vengeful god" or "supernatural being" feel. There is also the "Hogs of War" graffiti, and I can't shake the feeling of a vigilante superpowered creature. (Might be confirmation bias from my Hogfather association.)
If the Hippo faction exists (and again: besides several indications neither an Undead faction nor a Hippo faction has been revealed - only a Watch faction) I thought this would include normal Ankh-Morporkians (as far as "normal" applies of course), not a supernatural being.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2132 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1444 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 936 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 868 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1399 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1360 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1516 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1280 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1299 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1366 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1478 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1376 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1391 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1237 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1288 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1324 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1296 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1427 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1360 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1301 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1284 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1450 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1459 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1470 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1322 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1357 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1269 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1370 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1451 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1390 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 848 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1366 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 894 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1286 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1443 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1314 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 781 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 922 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1458 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1320 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1431 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1347 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 789 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1664 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1352 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1328 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 770 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1439 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1333 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1261 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1401 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1363 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1457 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1391 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1310 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1302 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1405 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1488 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1378 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1428 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1192 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1425 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1306 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1412 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1348 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1469 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1606 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1672 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1456 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1316 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1369 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1377 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1480 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1561 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1423 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1617 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1368 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1435 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1258 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1736 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1266 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 912 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 965 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1461 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1431 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1371 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1753 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1814 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1455 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1354 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1367 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1815 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1408 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1478 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1235 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1000 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1326 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1427 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1476 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1347 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1762 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1456 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1018 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 792 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1707 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1333 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1658 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1467 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1040 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1394 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1058 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 939 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 943 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 778 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 950 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1342 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1229 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1755 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1300 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1663 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 797 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1375 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1723 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1342 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1328 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1626 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 844 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1673 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1745 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1711 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 780 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 927 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 792 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1829 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1763 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 842 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1003 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 968 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1727 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1873 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1814 Views

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