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What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat Send a noteboard - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM

As I, FT and others already pointed out, Stephen's death made absolutely no sense. Even if Stephen was targeted, any anti-Vampire / anti-foreigner faction would've been better off using the NK on Yuna, who was also revealed as Vampire at that time. As FT said, and I also already mentioned yesterDay I think, that would've lead to at least one, and if they're lucky (no replacement could be found, and/or Yuna had the wrong sort of information to replace), two less vampires.

But what if Stephen wasn't the target at all? With the large number of unusual roles, having one redirector or whatever counts as a bus driver in this town, would not be a very large leap. In-game, magicians would be able to do this pretty easily (screwing with the mind of one player to make them target another), maybe the Patrician (ordering them somewhere else)? In the case of a redirector, it might be a random redirect (which ended up with Stephen), or it may even be deliberate. Substituting Stephen for someone else could make sense for a pro-town player: whatever nefarious deeds someone would have done to another player is now directed to a man with a death warrant.

In the case of a redirector: if you know who you targeted during that Night, you know who killed Stephen and is thus a candidate for Lynching. In the case of a bus driver, it's likely more to protect someone else, who was an obvious target.

With the manner of Stephen's death, which indicated to me something REALLY large falling on top of several buildings, I don't get a very "normal" scum faction feel. More of a "vengeful god" or "supernatural being" feel. There is also the "Hogs of War" graffiti, and I can't shake the feeling of a vigilante superpowered creature. (Might be confirmation bias from my Hogfather association.)
If the Hippo faction exists (and again: besides several indications neither an Undead faction nor a Hippo faction has been revealed - only a Watch faction) I thought this would include normal Ankh-Morporkians (as far as "normal" applies of course), not a supernatural being.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2014 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1327 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 884 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 815 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1302 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1248 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1403 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1167 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1183 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1265 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1371 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1269 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1283 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1120 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1172 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1223 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1185 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1299 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1255 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1201 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1180 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1337 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1362 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1359 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1230 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1267 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1128 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1255 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1331 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1277 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 784 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1270 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 838 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1176 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1333 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1196 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 726 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 865 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1346 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1229 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1331 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1211 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 738 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1511 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1250 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1199 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 719 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1319 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1211 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1160 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1307 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1263 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1330 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1280 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1185 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1203 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1292 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1376 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1228 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1314 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1087 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1297 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1177 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1308 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1253 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1359 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1488 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1564 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1318 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1203 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1248 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1275 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1374 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1441 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1328 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1499 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1263 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1321 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1149 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1630 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1153 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 861 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 902 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1355 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1319 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1255 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1635 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1698 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1342 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1248 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1253 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1687 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1317 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1380 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1121 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 948 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1231 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1306 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1382 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1246 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1660 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1338 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 969 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 741 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1582 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1215 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1557 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1292 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1004 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 886 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 872 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 725 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 902 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1217 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1115 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1662 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1191 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1559 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 741 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1250 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1617 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1245 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1218 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1521 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 797 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1559 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1645 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1606 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 733 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 873 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 743 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1723 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1638 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 789 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 939 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 926 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1613 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1738 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1696 Views

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