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And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM

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Praziquantel's claim doesn't really make sense. You're willing to let it slide because it makes him unlikely to be a Hippo, but I have seen no real evidence for your Hippos as scum theory.

We now know that the Hippos are an actual, in-game faction.

The Hippos are literally defined by being xenophobes.

The Hippos have been responsible for regular fluff-related deaths.

The Hippos are the only ones with any excuse to commit the only actual in-game Night Kill.

You cannot see any evidence for the Hippos being scum? I cannot accept that as being possible, therefore that can only be a lie.

Hell, even Artsapat, the person I am trying to lynch for being to favourably inclined towards the Hippos admits that the Hippos are the most likely scum. Quoted below:


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The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on [...]

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, [...]


Even in previous Days, his argument was mostly, "yes, the Hippos look like the most obvious scum faction, but we don't know if they even exist in the game, whereas we actually know of two Vampires, so we should go after them first". Which we now have, and the result is confirmation of the existence of the Hippo faction.

You think Praziquantel's claim doesn't make sense? So what?
You thought my claim that I didn't need to kill anybody and yet was categorically pro-town didn't make sense, and yet here we are, and look at how wrong you were.
You thought this game couldn't possibly contain multiple roles that didn't require people's death, despite your own (alleged) role being one such, and yet since the Watch is a multiple-character faction, obviously you were once again completely wrong.
Your doubts regarding Praziquantel are the most convincing argument for his innocence I have ever heard.

Because I doubt you're simply having a long, unfortunate sequence of terrible judgment calls and mistakes. It's far more likely that you're scum and are making calls that are actually beneficial to you and your team. And don't think I've forgotten about the scummy behaviour that lead me to try to get you lynched previously either.

You know what? You're actually a much better lynching candidate than Artsapat. Because even if I'm wrong, even if your claim is actually true, then by your own account, the town has absolutely nothing to lose by lynching you. You claimed as survivor, meaning you don't actually count as a townie for the purposes of the town vs. scum conflict. You claimed an Ankh-Morpork native, which means that the xenophobic Hippo faction we factually know to exist will not be gaining any morale points from your death. It's a win-win situation: either I am correct and your death gives us the first real town victory this game, or else I am wrong, you were telling the truth, you are not a Hippo, and nothing of value is lost. An unaligned roleblocker? You can't get much easier as a lynching target than that, and that assumes your best-case scenario.

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Vote: ranagrande

And you know what? I'm going to give you a chance. You say you would rather try to find a scummer than try to find a Hippo. You have voted for Praziquantel, meaning that he is "the scummer" you believe you have found.

You also do not believe that a faction known to exist in the game that is defined by xenophobia, is directly related to constant violence, destruction and death in the fluff, and the only group to which we can ascribe a motive for the Night Kill of Stephen, the only Night Kill to have occurred during the game, is sufficient evidence to suspect that faction of being scum.

Very well. We do not know what is sufficient evidence to pass the Ranagrande Standard, but we have a good reference point for what isn't. We will therefore use that as a minimum. You think Praziquyantel is scum, therefore he has clearly passed the Ranagrande Standard. Please enlighten us.

Being a faction absolutely known to be in the game is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum>/b>. Prove absolutely the existence of the scum faction to which you believe Praziquantel belongs.

Being a faction entirely built on the motive for scum actions which is repeatedly involved in the game's narrative is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum. Demonstrate how Praziquantel's scum faction revolves around aggression to other players and point out their numerous appearances in the fluff.

Having a motive to kill Stephen is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum. Explain Praziquantel's scum faction's motive to Night Kill Stephen.

Remember that these are all, of course, absolute minimums. The Hippos have passed all those tests, and even considering them as likely scum is unthinkable to you, so obviously I am going to expect a lot more from you.

Live up to your standards or die trying, obvscum.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2006 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1319 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 884 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 813 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1293 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1240 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1396 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1159 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1175 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1258 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1364 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1262 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1276 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1113 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1166 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1216 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1181 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1290 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1249 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1196 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1175 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1326 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1355 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1355 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1226 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1261 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1120 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1250 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1324 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1273 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 783 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1263 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 838 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1169 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1321 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1191 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 724 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 863 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1341 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1221 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1327 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1199 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 736 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1501 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1242 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1195 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 719 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1314 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1203 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1154 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1300 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1257 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1315 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1271 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1179 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1198 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1286 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1369 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1212 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1306 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1080 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1288 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1172 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1302 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1247 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1351 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1484 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1562 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1311 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1196 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1240 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1268 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1367 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1439 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1321 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1497 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1254 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1313 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1144 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1625 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1146 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 860 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 901 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1347 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1314 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1247 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1628 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1694 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1333 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1242 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1247 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1682 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1309 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1374 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1117 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 948 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1225 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1301 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1375 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1238 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1652 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1332 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 968 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 741 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1575 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1208 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1551 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1287 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1003 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 886 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 871 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 723 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 901 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1212 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1108 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1656 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1187 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1554 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 741 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1245 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1610 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1241 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1211 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1514 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 797 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1553 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1639 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1597 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 731 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 872 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 743 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1717 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1630 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 788 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 939 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 926 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1604 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1730 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1689 Views

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