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And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM

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Praziquantel's claim doesn't really make sense. You're willing to let it slide because it makes him unlikely to be a Hippo, but I have seen no real evidence for your Hippos as scum theory.

We now know that the Hippos are an actual, in-game faction.

The Hippos are literally defined by being xenophobes.

The Hippos have been responsible for regular fluff-related deaths.

The Hippos are the only ones with any excuse to commit the only actual in-game Night Kill.

You cannot see any evidence for the Hippos being scum? I cannot accept that as being possible, therefore that can only be a lie.

Hell, even Artsapat, the person I am trying to lynch for being to favourably inclined towards the Hippos admits that the Hippos are the most likely scum. Quoted below:


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The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on [...]

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, [...]


Even in previous Days, his argument was mostly, "yes, the Hippos look like the most obvious scum faction, but we don't know if they even exist in the game, whereas we actually know of two Vampires, so we should go after them first". Which we now have, and the result is confirmation of the existence of the Hippo faction.

You think Praziquantel's claim doesn't make sense? So what?
You thought my claim that I didn't need to kill anybody and yet was categorically pro-town didn't make sense, and yet here we are, and look at how wrong you were.
You thought this game couldn't possibly contain multiple roles that didn't require people's death, despite your own (alleged) role being one such, and yet since the Watch is a multiple-character faction, obviously you were once again completely wrong.
Your doubts regarding Praziquantel are the most convincing argument for his innocence I have ever heard.

Because I doubt you're simply having a long, unfortunate sequence of terrible judgment calls and mistakes. It's far more likely that you're scum and are making calls that are actually beneficial to you and your team. And don't think I've forgotten about the scummy behaviour that lead me to try to get you lynched previously either.

You know what? You're actually a much better lynching candidate than Artsapat. Because even if I'm wrong, even if your claim is actually true, then by your own account, the town has absolutely nothing to lose by lynching you. You claimed as survivor, meaning you don't actually count as a townie for the purposes of the town vs. scum conflict. You claimed an Ankh-Morpork native, which means that the xenophobic Hippo faction we factually know to exist will not be gaining any morale points from your death. It's a win-win situation: either I am correct and your death gives us the first real town victory this game, or else I am wrong, you were telling the truth, you are not a Hippo, and nothing of value is lost. An unaligned roleblocker? You can't get much easier as a lynching target than that, and that assumes your best-case scenario.

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Vote: ranagrande

And you know what? I'm going to give you a chance. You say you would rather try to find a scummer than try to find a Hippo. You have voted for Praziquantel, meaning that he is "the scummer" you believe you have found.

You also do not believe that a faction known to exist in the game that is defined by xenophobia, is directly related to constant violence, destruction and death in the fluff, and the only group to which we can ascribe a motive for the Night Kill of Stephen, the only Night Kill to have occurred during the game, is sufficient evidence to suspect that faction of being scum.

Very well. We do not know what is sufficient evidence to pass the Ranagrande Standard, but we have a good reference point for what isn't. We will therefore use that as a minimum. You think Praziquyantel is scum, therefore he has clearly passed the Ranagrande Standard. Please enlighten us.

Being a faction absolutely known to be in the game is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum>/b>. Prove absolutely the existence of the scum faction to which you believe Praziquantel belongs.

Being a faction entirely built on the motive for scum actions which is repeatedly involved in the game's narrative is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum. Demonstrate how Praziquantel's scum faction revolves around aggression to other players and point out their numerous appearances in the fluff.

Having a motive to kill Stephen is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum. Explain Praziquantel's scum faction's motive to Night Kill Stephen.

Remember that these are all, of course, absolute minimums. The Hippos have passed all those tests, and even considering them as likely scum is unthinkable to you, so obviously I am going to expect a lot more from you.

Live up to your standards or die trying, obvscum.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1942 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1266 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 855 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 760 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1253 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1198 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1364 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1124 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1148 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1219 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1323 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1210 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1243 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1073 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1132 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1184 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1152 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1238 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1218 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1170 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1139 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1265 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1320 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1327 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1201 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1218 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1080 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1221 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1277 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1239 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 763 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1233 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 798 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1133 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1281 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1154 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 705 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 839 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1295 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1177 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1291 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1147 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 713 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1453 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1206 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1164 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 701 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1283 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1151 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1112 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1269 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1225 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1261 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1231 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1142 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1165 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1237 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1337 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1163 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1273 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1053 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1253 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1137 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1283 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1212 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1297 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1449 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1533 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1278 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1168 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1195 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1231 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1335 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1407 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1294 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1448 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1205 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1276 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1104 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1599 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1107 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 839 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 875 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1295 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1288 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1212 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1577 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1669 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1291 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1198 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1215 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1653 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1271 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1348 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1089 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 932 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1184 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1272 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1334 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1211 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1622 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1293 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 949 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 720 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1541 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1172 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1529 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1256 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 981 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 856 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 853 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 711 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 886 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1164 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1079 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1624 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1155 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1523 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 721 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1209 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1576 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1212 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1160 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1488 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 777 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1519 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1612 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1564 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 717 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 832 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 732 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1692 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1599 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 768 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 923 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 908 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1571 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1688 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1645 Views

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