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Re: Yawn... Isaac Send a noteboard - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM
You always seem to assume everyone's working with perfect logic.


LOL, not at all, I assume everyone is trying to think logically and believes their logic is valid. Valid doens't mean right or perfect, nor does it mean that they think only one logical interpretation is available. You can get two or three equally valid conclusions from the same info.

This always comes down to salad. If I see someone eating salad, I can say "He likes salad." or "He must be trying to watch his weight" or "It came with the meal" or "He's making a point of being seen eating salad in a public place, because it's a small town and he's worried someone will tell his wife or doctor if he's seen eating a big steak".

This last is your intro to WIFOM, because now the man has a motive for wanting to effect how others regard his consumption, same as the girl who orders the cheapest thing off the menu on a first date. Did she order it because she likes it or because she wants to effect how you regard her?

Now, any of those may be right, they are logically valid conclusions, they may all so be wrong, or, not being mutually contradictory, more than one may be right.

Alternatively - and I think this is what screws people trying to think about WIFOMs - I can not say the same thing about a huge slab of pork. If you see someone eating ribs, you basically have two logical high-prob scenarios "HE likes ribs" or "He's trying them out" and since most people who eat ribs eat them any times, the random odds of somoeone trying them out compared to eating them because they like them are significantly lower, so gun to your head, you'd be best to guess "He likes them" as the motive. However, looking at the chalkboard by the cash register, you see "Today's Special: All you can eat ribs" and this alters the equation. No matter you you cut it though, "He's watching his weight" is not a significant probability, as it is for salad, to make it worth singificant contemplation as a motive.

As with the salad ordering gal, you can WIFOM of her reasons for ordering the sald, but you can not introduce absurdity, you can not say she ordered the sald in hopes of convincing her date she liked Lobster, because even though that is a possiiblity, it is simply too small for contemplation. FT did not RC miller, in all likelihood, because he wanted to be lynched, therefore that was not likely to be his primary motivation.

As motives go "I killed Napoleon because it's so obvious a move for me as a DF that no one would believe I'd do it" isn't logically valid as a significant probability because it doesn't make me less suspcicious and killing basically anyone else would make more sense, alternatively, the frame up angle does make sense, see? It represents a better than random reason to target him.

Take this scenario... this is some logic to a bomb pretending to be a miller on day 1, or a jester doing so. Not a great plan but workable. This doesn't WIFOM though as 'Ah, but they might be a vanilla hoping to trick the DFs into thiking they're a bomb/jester in hopes of avoiding a lynch or NK', because while possible, it simply doesn't represent the WIFOMs 'each further iteration is equally plausible' standard.

It is also inherent in a WIFOM (and why I like to discourage them) that they blind you. While trying to decide which glass holds the poison, you overlook not just that they both might, or neither will, but that the bad guy might simply be using it as a distraction while a bowmen gets a good bead on you because you're sitting still pondering your cup. For this reason, when you see a WIFOM, you should always assume whoever introduced it, except when it was blatantly obvious, had an ulterior motive for bringing it up.

I made mention of my "heroic defense" partially in jest (because I like the thought of me in a cape, Righting Wrongs) and partially because it's one of the few things we have to examine.


I would tend to assume you raised it because people usually look less suspicious, or believe they do, when they raise an accusation against themselves as opposed to someone else doing it. Even if you're town, that's a pretty logical thing to do. One of the first rules of debate is to blunt an argument by raising it yourself first, and I doubt you do not know this.

I'm usually like this every game- especially if the conversation starts to die down. You can see it in my ranagrande post as well- I post my reasoning, and ask if anyone sees flaws.


Oh, I always approve of people stirring the pot, I do it a lot myself, doesn't mean I don't dish out a ladle full of broth for the opposition and skim something with lots of meat and veggies for me. ;)

And note that I wasn't making any accusations, not even against you- just saying that you were likely a catalyst in Napoleon's death, since he didn't really DO much on Day 1.


Raising it was an accusation, like I said, this is a subtle game and we all know that trick, doesn't mean you necessarily were using it, or that you had nefarious anti-town motives if you were, but both read as accusations to me, and I doubt many will disagree.

Although I will say that your WIFOM point is well taken- a 50/50 chance IS usually better than a random lynch. It didn't apply to FT (in my opinion) because I was pegging him at maybe 5% chance at best of being a DF, but it does apply to you.


See, that's an accusation

You're easily as suspicious as I am. More, I'd say, since despite your protests you were definitely the driving force behind the FT lynch.


No, I was the driving force behind pointing out the various flaws and advantages of the situation, the lynch proceeded from that. I repeat, FT was doing everything in his power to make it look like I was nailing him to a cross, up to and including pushing back on my points so I had to defend and clarify them in depth, which made it look like I was on a major offensive. Trust me, he knew what he was doing, an accusation is only as credible as the person prosecuting it, he wanted it to be attached to me, fresh from a game as a DF. Not hard either, as he knows I will present lengthy arguments for and against pretty much everything. Townie or not, that was his motive.
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I thinking Lynching F-T was the right thing to do. - 09/02/2010 04:45:13 AM 1480 Views
RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM* - 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM 908 Views
You know what? - 09/02/2010 01:17:52 AM 1486 Views
NO! - 09/02/2010 01:31:57 AM 1457 Views
Re: You know what? - 09/02/2010 01:34:42 AM 1455 Views
Heh, inorganic chemistry. - 09/02/2010 01:57:39 AM 1479 Views
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See, that way the betrayal is personal. - 09/02/2010 04:41:47 AM 1713 Views
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DK, found her innocent *NM* - 09/02/2010 01:48:11 PM 865 Views
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I'll add: list of players who did NOT vote yesterday - 09/02/2010 06:46:38 AM 1495 Views
RBIRL - 09/02/2010 04:45:19 AM 1428 Views
Hmmm, - 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM 1451 Views
Re: Hmmm, - 09/02/2010 07:20:02 AM 1422 Views
Yeah, I agree with the Blaine rationalization - 09/02/2010 08:57:19 AM 1463 Views
Huh. Oh boy oh - 09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM 1317 Views
Care to give us your thoughts? *NM* - 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM 886 Views
Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM* - 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM 868 Views
Well, yeah... - 09/02/2010 04:57:26 PM 1604 Views
Re: Well, yeah... - 09/02/2010 07:27:00 PM 1411 Views
I want to throw this out here. - 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM 1516 Views
What changed your mind? *NM* - 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 850 Views
Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone. - 09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM 1537 Views
*NM* - 10/02/2010 02:56:52 AM 768 Views
I thought you'd like that. *NM* - 10/02/2010 01:00:19 PM 778 Views
I was going to post a few thoughts here this morning... - 09/02/2010 01:49:26 PM 1495 Views
Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM 1557 Views
What tips me off is the "melted plastic". - 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM 1388 Views
Good point. Is an arsonist usually a third party? *NM* - 10/02/2010 12:28:10 AM 798 Views
That's so arbitrary, though. - 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM 1301 Views
EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante. - 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM 1551 Views
That seems like good reasoning - 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM 1473 Views
Re: That seems like good reasoning - 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM 1522 Views
That's a vig rule? I did not know that - 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM 1461 Views
Well, it's pretty common sense. - 10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM 1584 Views
I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable - 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM 1399 Views
Oh, my bad then! *NM* - 10/02/2010 10:19:13 PM 863 Views
As the resident expert on vigilantism - 10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM 1802 Views
Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM* - 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM 857 Views
He was a vig once or twice. *NM* - 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM 878 Views
I was the best vigilante you guys have ever had! *NM* - 12/02/2010 02:19:57 AM 853 Views
The only vigilante we've ever had. - 12/02/2010 02:25:20 AM 1397 Views
Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM* - 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM 822 Views
Maybe it's been proposed. - 10/02/2010 05:19:10 AM 1531 Views
Re: Maybe it's been proposed. - 10/02/2010 05:56:10 AM 1423 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 12:50:51 AM 1670 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 01:11:50 AM 1421 Views
Because we have a SK *NM* - 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM 798 Views
I agree that we probably have a SK - 10/02/2010 07:50:33 PM 1433 Views
Nah, I was just saying *NM* - 11/02/2010 05:06:54 AM 857 Views
wait a minute - 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM 1493 Views
Sensors? *NM* - 10/02/2010 01:42:36 PM 747 Views
Another thing - 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM 1581 Views
F-T, I assume - 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM 1417 Views
Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM* - 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM 850 Views
I don't think it could be a RB - 10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM 1522 Views
Probably not, but not for that reason - 10/02/2010 08:32:57 PM 1486 Views
Huh. - 10/02/2010 09:11:29 PM 1468 Views
Did anyone get any messages last night? - 10/02/2010 08:23:03 PM 1418 Views
Nope *NM* - 10/02/2010 08:35:18 PM 826 Views
Me neither. - 10/02/2010 09:14:46 PM 1457 Views
Re: Me neither. - 10/02/2010 09:41:19 PM 1584 Views
RBIRL - 11/02/2010 04:52:12 PM 1422 Views
Good luck! *NM* - 11/02/2010 07:05:40 PM 790 Views
Re: RBIRL - 11/02/2010 09:59:39 PM 1664 Views
We're stalling out a bit - 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM 1433 Views
Yep. - 12/02/2010 02:58:02 AM 1330 Views
We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine... - 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM 1499 Views
You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game - 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM 1665 Views
Yawn... - 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM 1614 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM 1581 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM 1524 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:24:40 AM 1461 Views
He's brought up accusations on himself - 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM 1659 Views
Dammit, I had a post and then it got deleted. - 14/02/2010 01:45:31 AM 1442 Views
Alrighty, let's try this again. - 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM 1317 Views
Always happy to answer your questions - 14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM 1365 Views
Thanks for the answers. - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM 1457 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM 1538 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:48:22 AM 1414 Views
On F-T's accusations against you. - 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM 1497 Views
Re: On F-T's accusations against you. - 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM 1377 Views
Oh, right, I modded that one. - 14/02/2010 04:11:46 AM 1417 Views
That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records - 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM 1456 Views
Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one - 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM 1402 Views
I'm in second? Woo! - 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM 1463 Views
Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod - 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM 1590 Views
I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT. - 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM 1454 Views
Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you - 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM 1434 Views
Game 1 I remember. - 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM 1311 Views
Re: Game 1 I remember. - 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM 1678 Views
Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart. - 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM 1663 Views
Oh, the MHael Steve incident! - 15/02/2010 04:42:31 AM 1455 Views
The game? Oh, right, that. - 15/02/2010 04:41:43 AM 1372 Views
Actually... - 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM 1524 Views
Sorry, it was my first game. - 16/02/2010 03:34:16 AM 1643 Views
That was my point actually. - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1535 Views
Those were the good old days. - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1485 Views
random thoughts - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1432 Views
I wasn't in that game. - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1400 Views
A second line of thought: ranagrande - 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM 1721 Views
Argh... quote please - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1471 Views
Haha, fair enough - 12/02/2010 11:30:54 PM 1295 Views
I was getting all set to defend myself - 13/02/2010 01:21:58 AM 1559 Views
RBIRL - 14/02/2010 06:11:55 AM 1500 Views
Back - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1498 Views
Vote: Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 1302 Views
Re: Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1598 Views
That's giving up awfully early. - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1374 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1512 Views
Well this was unexpected. - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1420 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1424 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 1339 Views
I don't think so - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1458 Views
I assumed - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1419 Views
Re: I assumed - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1496 Views
In a way Isaac is right - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1481 Views
If he was the SK - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1535 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1422 Views
9 *NM* - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 869 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1380 Views
Oh that's right! - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1403 Views
We just took that game over. - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1487 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1361 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1493 Views
Lol irony - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1452 Views
what I thought was pretty funny - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1460 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 865 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1460 Views
That was a fun one. - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1497 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1538 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 913 Views
Eh... not good enough - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1452 Views
Holiday weekend - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1407 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1566 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1650 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1472 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1542 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1468 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1521 Views
Oh, I know it can. - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1501 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1563 Views
Since when are you against traps? - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1410 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1455 Views
I'm glad it did too. - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1498 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1539 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 873 Views
So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1482 Views
Re: So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1501 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1521 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1570 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1467 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1372 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1387 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1409 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1624 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1408 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1625 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1393 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1424 Views
A few thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1401 Views
Alright then. - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 1202 Views
EBWOP - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1574 Views
Haha, I'm sorry - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1404 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1544 Views
Naive? - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1536 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1517 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1281 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1385 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1424 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1361 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1366 Views
Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1440 Views
Re: Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1410 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1426 Views
Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1468 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1497 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1432 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1588 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1357 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1568 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 854 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 853 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 833 Views
Fair enough *NM* - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 819 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1459 Views
I think that - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1503 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1432 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1415 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1346 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1496 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1381 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1444 Views
About voting - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1488 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1514 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1496 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1496 Views
I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1295 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1404 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1418 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 830 Views
After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1332 Views
Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1467 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1545 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1568 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1609 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1387 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1464 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 918 Views
Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1570 Views
Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1498 Views
Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1495 Views
Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1363 Views
Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1340 Views
Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 814 Views
Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1487 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 887 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 848 Views
Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1456 Views
I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1519 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1496 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1404 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1489 Views
Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1505 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1530 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1622 Views
I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1418 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1404 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 832 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1591 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1628 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1472 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1431 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1519 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1507 Views
That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1478 Views
(My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1498 Views
Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1491 Views
Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1420 Views
Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1531 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1509 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1531 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1591 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1640 Views
Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1606 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1477 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1428 Views
Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1591 Views
Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1602 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1392 Views
Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1556 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1427 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1419 Views
I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1546 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 736 Views
Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1399 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1522 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 733 Views
No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1537 Views
And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1427 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1480 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1400 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1463 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 830 Views
Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1434 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 843 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 837 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1524 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 848 Views
Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 827 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1438 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1609 Views
You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1593 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 747 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1500 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1510 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1530 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1548 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1583 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1469 Views
Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1437 Views
Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1539 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1404 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1500 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1329 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1492 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1371 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 863 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1514 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1662 Views
Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1426 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1482 Views
Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1347 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1416 Views
Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1336 Views
Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1454 Views
What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1428 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 804 Views
A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 2205 Views
Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1572 Views
Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 2141 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1413 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 823 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1443 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1432 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1550 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1404 Views
fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1365 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1394 Views
Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1492 Views
EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1415 Views
"Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1400 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1513 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1494 Views
What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1401 Views
me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1504 Views
my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1546 Views
Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1565 Views
well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1456 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1355 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1574 Views
LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 802 Views
RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1386 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1449 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 844 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 921 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1412 Views
Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1485 Views
- 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1589 Views
Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1465 Views
Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1494 Views
I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1406 Views
I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1481 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1399 Views
Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1452 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1374 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1325 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1340 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1381 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1369 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1338 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1411 Views
Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1582 Views
All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1518 Views
This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1551 Views
Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1673 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1319 Views
Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1431 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1557 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1420 Views
Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1375 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1445 Views
You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1397 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1493 Views
- 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1509 Views
I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1528 Views
I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1536 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1592 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 874 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 867 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 783 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 828 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 749 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 867 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 814 Views
No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 921 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 800 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 836 Views
no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 831 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1329 Views
To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1521 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 843 Views
I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1320 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1642 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1557 Views
RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1388 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1427 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1453 Views
Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1515 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1486 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 825 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 746 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 895 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1548 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1545 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1574 Views

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