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Re: Yawn... Isaac Send a noteboard - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM
You always seem to assume everyone's working with perfect logic.


LOL, not at all, I assume everyone is trying to think logically and believes their logic is valid. Valid doens't mean right or perfect, nor does it mean that they think only one logical interpretation is available. You can get two or three equally valid conclusions from the same info.

This always comes down to salad. If I see someone eating salad, I can say "He likes salad." or "He must be trying to watch his weight" or "It came with the meal" or "He's making a point of being seen eating salad in a public place, because it's a small town and he's worried someone will tell his wife or doctor if he's seen eating a big steak".

This last is your intro to WIFOM, because now the man has a motive for wanting to effect how others regard his consumption, same as the girl who orders the cheapest thing off the menu on a first date. Did she order it because she likes it or because she wants to effect how you regard her?

Now, any of those may be right, they are logically valid conclusions, they may all so be wrong, or, not being mutually contradictory, more than one may be right.

Alternatively - and I think this is what screws people trying to think about WIFOMs - I can not say the same thing about a huge slab of pork. If you see someone eating ribs, you basically have two logical high-prob scenarios "HE likes ribs" or "He's trying them out" and since most people who eat ribs eat them any times, the random odds of somoeone trying them out compared to eating them because they like them are significantly lower, so gun to your head, you'd be best to guess "He likes them" as the motive. However, looking at the chalkboard by the cash register, you see "Today's Special: All you can eat ribs" and this alters the equation. No matter you you cut it though, "He's watching his weight" is not a significant probability, as it is for salad, to make it worth singificant contemplation as a motive.

As with the salad ordering gal, you can WIFOM of her reasons for ordering the sald, but you can not introduce absurdity, you can not say she ordered the sald in hopes of convincing her date she liked Lobster, because even though that is a possiiblity, it is simply too small for contemplation. FT did not RC miller, in all likelihood, because he wanted to be lynched, therefore that was not likely to be his primary motivation.

As motives go "I killed Napoleon because it's so obvious a move for me as a DF that no one would believe I'd do it" isn't logically valid as a significant probability because it doesn't make me less suspcicious and killing basically anyone else would make more sense, alternatively, the frame up angle does make sense, see? It represents a better than random reason to target him.

Take this scenario... this is some logic to a bomb pretending to be a miller on day 1, or a jester doing so. Not a great plan but workable. This doesn't WIFOM though as 'Ah, but they might be a vanilla hoping to trick the DFs into thiking they're a bomb/jester in hopes of avoiding a lynch or NK', because while possible, it simply doesn't represent the WIFOMs 'each further iteration is equally plausible' standard.

It is also inherent in a WIFOM (and why I like to discourage them) that they blind you. While trying to decide which glass holds the poison, you overlook not just that they both might, or neither will, but that the bad guy might simply be using it as a distraction while a bowmen gets a good bead on you because you're sitting still pondering your cup. For this reason, when you see a WIFOM, you should always assume whoever introduced it, except when it was blatantly obvious, had an ulterior motive for bringing it up.

I made mention of my "heroic defense" partially in jest (because I like the thought of me in a cape, Righting Wrongs) and partially because it's one of the few things we have to examine.


I would tend to assume you raised it because people usually look less suspicious, or believe they do, when they raise an accusation against themselves as opposed to someone else doing it. Even if you're town, that's a pretty logical thing to do. One of the first rules of debate is to blunt an argument by raising it yourself first, and I doubt you do not know this.

I'm usually like this every game- especially if the conversation starts to die down. You can see it in my ranagrande post as well- I post my reasoning, and ask if anyone sees flaws.


Oh, I always approve of people stirring the pot, I do it a lot myself, doesn't mean I don't dish out a ladle full of broth for the opposition and skim something with lots of meat and veggies for me. ;)

And note that I wasn't making any accusations, not even against you- just saying that you were likely a catalyst in Napoleon's death, since he didn't really DO much on Day 1.


Raising it was an accusation, like I said, this is a subtle game and we all know that trick, doesn't mean you necessarily were using it, or that you had nefarious anti-town motives if you were, but both read as accusations to me, and I doubt many will disagree.

Although I will say that your WIFOM point is well taken- a 50/50 chance IS usually better than a random lynch. It didn't apply to FT (in my opinion) because I was pegging him at maybe 5% chance at best of being a DF, but it does apply to you.


See, that's an accusation

You're easily as suspicious as I am. More, I'd say, since despite your protests you were definitely the driving force behind the FT lynch.


No, I was the driving force behind pointing out the various flaws and advantages of the situation, the lynch proceeded from that. I repeat, FT was doing everything in his power to make it look like I was nailing him to a cross, up to and including pushing back on my points so I had to defend and clarify them in depth, which made it look like I was on a major offensive. Trust me, he knew what he was doing, an accusation is only as credible as the person prosecuting it, he wanted it to be attached to me, fresh from a game as a DF. Not hard either, as he knows I will present lengthy arguments for and against pretty much everything. Townie or not, that was his motive.
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I thinking Lynching F-T was the right thing to do. - 09/02/2010 04:45:13 AM 1679 Views
RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM* - 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM 1017 Views
You know what? - 09/02/2010 01:17:52 AM 1659 Views
NO! - 09/02/2010 01:31:57 AM 1629 Views
Re: You know what? - 09/02/2010 01:34:42 AM 1626 Views
Heh, inorganic chemistry. - 09/02/2010 01:57:39 AM 1689 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. - 09/02/2010 02:38:45 AM 1668 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. - 09/02/2010 03:29:32 AM 1752 Views
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. - 09/02/2010 03:36:28 AM 1691 Views
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See, that way the betrayal is personal. - 09/02/2010 04:41:47 AM 1882 Views
Ouch *NM* - 09/02/2010 04:58:13 PM 1065 Views
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Beetnemesis, innocent. *NM* - 09/02/2010 01:17:10 AM 961 Views
Okay - 09/02/2010 01:29:09 AM 1503 Views
Kronin, innocent. *NM* - 09/02/2010 01:53:09 AM 918 Views
Isaac, Guilty *NM* - 09/02/2010 02:12:07 AM 1053 Views
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Investigated fistofpainx, found him to be innocent *NM* - 09/02/2010 06:27:37 AM 998 Views
DK, found her innocent *NM* - 09/02/2010 01:48:11 PM 973 Views
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I'll add: list of players who did NOT vote yesterday - 09/02/2010 06:46:38 AM 1659 Views
RBIRL - 09/02/2010 04:45:19 AM 1618 Views
Hmmm, - 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM 1625 Views
Re: Hmmm, - 09/02/2010 07:20:02 AM 1596 Views
Yeah, I agree with the Blaine rationalization - 09/02/2010 08:57:19 AM 1634 Views
Huh. Oh boy oh - 09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM 1488 Views
Care to give us your thoughts? *NM* - 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM 1003 Views
Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM* - 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM 983 Views
Well, yeah... - 09/02/2010 04:57:26 PM 1812 Views
Re: Well, yeah... - 09/02/2010 07:27:00 PM 1584 Views
I want to throw this out here. - 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM 1701 Views
What changed your mind? *NM* - 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 954 Views
Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone. - 09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM 1696 Views
*NM* - 10/02/2010 02:56:52 AM 965 Views
I thought you'd like that. *NM* - 10/02/2010 01:00:19 PM 922 Views
I was going to post a few thoughts here this morning... - 09/02/2010 01:49:26 PM 1654 Views
Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM 1727 Views
What tips me off is the "melted plastic". - 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM 1554 Views
Good point. Is an arsonist usually a third party? *NM* - 10/02/2010 12:28:10 AM 903 Views
That's so arbitrary, though. - 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM 1498 Views
EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante. - 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM 1713 Views
That seems like good reasoning - 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM 1646 Views
Re: That seems like good reasoning - 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM 1696 Views
That's a vig rule? I did not know that - 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM 1632 Views
Well, it's pretty common sense. - 10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM 1769 Views
I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable - 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM 1566 Views
Oh, my bad then! *NM* - 10/02/2010 10:19:13 PM 977 Views
As the resident expert on vigilantism - 10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM 1982 Views
Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM* - 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM 973 Views
He was a vig once or twice. *NM* - 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM 998 Views
I was the best vigilante you guys have ever had! *NM* - 12/02/2010 02:19:57 AM 969 Views
The only vigilante we've ever had. - 12/02/2010 02:25:20 AM 1556 Views
Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM* - 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM 932 Views
Maybe it's been proposed. - 10/02/2010 05:19:10 AM 1698 Views
Re: Maybe it's been proposed. - 10/02/2010 05:56:10 AM 1590 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 12:50:51 AM 1867 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 01:11:50 AM 1601 Views
Because we have a SK *NM* - 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM 923 Views
I agree that we probably have a SK - 10/02/2010 07:50:33 PM 1600 Views
Nah, I was just saying *NM* - 11/02/2010 05:06:54 AM 971 Views
wait a minute - 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM 1674 Views
Sensors? *NM* - 10/02/2010 01:42:36 PM 861 Views
Another thing - 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM 1751 Views
F-T, I assume - 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM 1601 Views
Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM* - 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM 962 Views
I don't think it could be a RB - 10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM 1701 Views
Probably not, but not for that reason - 10/02/2010 08:32:57 PM 1682 Views
Huh. - 10/02/2010 09:11:29 PM 1658 Views
Did anyone get any messages last night? - 10/02/2010 08:23:03 PM 1585 Views
Nope *NM* - 10/02/2010 08:35:18 PM 937 Views
Me neither. - 10/02/2010 09:14:46 PM 1611 Views
Re: Me neither. - 10/02/2010 09:41:19 PM 1756 Views
RBIRL - 11/02/2010 04:52:12 PM 1582 Views
Good luck! *NM* - 11/02/2010 07:05:40 PM 909 Views
Re: RBIRL - 11/02/2010 09:59:39 PM 1825 Views
We're stalling out a bit - 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM 1612 Views
Yep. - 12/02/2010 02:58:02 AM 1506 Views
We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine... - 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM 1688 Views
You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game - 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM 1864 Views
Yawn... - 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM 1810 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM 1754 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM 1704 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:24:40 AM 1621 Views
He's brought up accusations on himself - 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM 1855 Views
Dammit, I had a post and then it got deleted. - 14/02/2010 01:45:31 AM 1606 Views
Alrighty, let's try this again. - 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM 1504 Views
Always happy to answer your questions - 14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM 1563 Views
Thanks for the answers. - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM 1638 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM 1736 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:48:22 AM 1593 Views
On F-T's accusations against you. - 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM 1662 Views
Re: On F-T's accusations against you. - 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM 1555 Views
Oh, right, I modded that one. - 14/02/2010 04:11:46 AM 1565 Views
That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records - 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM 1620 Views
Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one - 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM 1585 Views
I'm in second? Woo! - 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM 1612 Views
Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod - 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM 1783 Views
I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT. - 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM 1658 Views
Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you - 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM 1623 Views
Game 1 I remember. - 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM 1490 Views
Re: Game 1 I remember. - 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM 1873 Views
Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart. - 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM 1831 Views
Oh, the MHael Steve incident! - 15/02/2010 04:42:31 AM 1671 Views
The game? Oh, right, that. - 15/02/2010 04:41:43 AM 1557 Views
Actually... - 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM 1691 Views
Sorry, it was my first game. - 16/02/2010 03:34:16 AM 1810 Views
That was my point actually. - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1710 Views
Those were the good old days. - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1660 Views
random thoughts - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1608 Views
I wasn't in that game. - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1575 Views
A second line of thought: ranagrande - 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM 1901 Views
Argh... quote please - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1674 Views
Haha, fair enough - 12/02/2010 11:30:54 PM 1483 Views
I was getting all set to defend myself - 13/02/2010 01:21:58 AM 1737 Views
RBIRL - 14/02/2010 06:11:55 AM 1664 Views
Back - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1691 Views
Vote: Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 1497 Views
Re: Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1765 Views
That's giving up awfully early. - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1536 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1702 Views
Well this was unexpected. - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1569 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1604 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 1501 Views
I don't think so - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1650 Views
I assumed - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1570 Views
Re: I assumed - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1701 Views
In a way Isaac is right - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1648 Views
If he was the SK - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1730 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1593 Views
9 *NM* - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 1004 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1564 Views
Oh that's right! - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1568 Views
We just took that game over. - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1642 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1531 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1665 Views
Lol irony - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1611 Views
what I thought was pretty funny - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1635 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 974 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1614 Views
That was a fun one. - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1668 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1708 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 1022 Views
Eh... not good enough - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1624 Views
Holiday weekend - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1577 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1729 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1817 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1680 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1724 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1655 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1678 Views
Oh, I know it can. - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1690 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1758 Views
Since when are you against traps? - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1578 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1640 Views
I'm glad it did too. - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1660 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1693 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 999 Views
So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1674 Views
Re: So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1702 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1723 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1745 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1624 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1536 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1586 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1610 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1822 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1583 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1795 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1542 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1595 Views
A few thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1579 Views
Alright then. - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 1384 Views
EBWOP - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1742 Views
Haha, I'm sorry - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1562 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1737 Views
Naive? - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1698 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1694 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1433 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1541 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1583 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1528 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1530 Views
Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1608 Views
Re: Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1558 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1598 Views
Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1642 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1673 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1601 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1753 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1525 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1739 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 967 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 951 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 943 Views
Fair enough *NM* - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 921 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1627 Views
I think that - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1663 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1612 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1583 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1500 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1654 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1542 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1638 Views
About voting - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1648 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1676 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1689 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1688 Views
I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1479 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1569 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1609 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 945 Views
After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1510 Views
Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1654 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1739 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1735 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1782 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1551 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1632 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 1028 Views
Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1774 Views
Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1679 Views
Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1671 Views
Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1531 Views
Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1505 Views
Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 931 Views
Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1648 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 1011 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 1018 Views
Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1613 Views
I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1702 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1678 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1587 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1679 Views
Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1669 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1707 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1793 Views
I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1565 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1590 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 937 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1765 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1835 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1645 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1616 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1648 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1678 Views
That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1659 Views
(My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1666 Views
Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1678 Views
Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1625 Views
Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1707 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1678 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1703 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1748 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1826 Views
Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1768 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1635 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1595 Views
Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1768 Views
Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1769 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1563 Views
Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1732 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1580 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1579 Views
I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1712 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 833 Views
Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1577 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1726 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 847 Views
No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1698 Views
And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1582 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1638 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1578 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1625 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 941 Views
Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1608 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 943 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 944 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1698 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 961 Views
Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 929 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1607 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1772 Views
You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1751 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 873 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1659 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1671 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1690 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1709 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1737 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1627 Views
Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1611 Views
Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1698 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1586 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1690 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1533 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1661 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1540 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 961 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1682 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1820 Views
Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1584 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1643 Views
Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1544 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1593 Views
Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1498 Views
Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1598 Views
What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1595 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 904 Views
A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 2388 Views
Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1772 Views
Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 2338 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1598 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 931 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1627 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1584 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1722 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1550 Views
fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1517 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1549 Views
Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1664 Views
EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1571 Views
"Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1553 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1663 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1652 Views
What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1590 Views
me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1683 Views
my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1684 Views
Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1722 Views
well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1634 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1509 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1738 Views
LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 899 Views
RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1542 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1615 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 949 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 1015 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1601 Views
Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1645 Views
- 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1742 Views
Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1618 Views
Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1648 Views
I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1550 Views
I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1623 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1562 Views
Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1627 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1536 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1480 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1537 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1553 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1530 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1510 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1593 Views
Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1743 Views
All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1692 Views
This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1720 Views
Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1818 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1480 Views
Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1594 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1712 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1587 Views
Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1531 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1607 Views
You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1574 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1654 Views
- 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1686 Views
I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1694 Views
I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1707 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1776 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 966 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 967 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 882 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 911 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 852 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 970 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 917 Views
No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 1014 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 906 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 928 Views
no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 932 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1494 Views
To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1661 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 930 Views
I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1504 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1802 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1738 Views
RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1545 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1580 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1625 Views
Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1684 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1671 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 938 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 851 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 999 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1702 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1714 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1753 Views

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