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Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM
So Beet: where you intending to level accusations against Isaac or what? Honestly, what are your thoughts on the matter? Who do you think we should chase after Today?

Honestly? I'm still not sure. I WAS sure (well, 90%) about F-T; I detailed my reasons on Day 1, and I'll mention them at the end of this post.

The problem is that all of the focus is on Issac and me. I've defended myself. With Issac, I don't have nearly the same certainty.


Well, I know one of the reasons you stand out to me is simply because you took a strong stance yesterday. There were so few people who did so, those who do tend to stick in the mind. And of course, there's the potential for evil that goes along with your particular case. ;)

I mentioned on Day 1 that I didn't think Issac was a DF, just because of the massive amounts of text he wrote attacking FT. If Issac was a DF, he'd have known he was setting himself up for suspicion, and probably would have backed off a bit.

Now, Issac's been aggressive towards me today (at least, compared to all of the other players). I find myself in the same dilemma F-T was in: I know I'm innocent, so is this a case of a DF trying to drum up support for a lynch against me, or is it just Issac seizing on one of the few pieces of evidence available, and seeing where it leads?

Annoyingly, I'd have to say Issac seems innocent to me. The rest of you (barring Kronin, I think?) have more or less supported me, or at the least don't seem to find me nearly as suspicious as Issac does. Again, a DF would probably back off, right?

Or it could just be an example of the aggressive playstyle that Issac himself has admitted he uses (hold on... I'll go find the damn quote!).......................................................................................................................................................................................................OK, so I hate the world for hunting through every post to find this stupid thing.


PS I'm not accusing Issac, mostly BECAUSE he's been so dogged in attacking F-T. A DF wouldn't be that blatant, especially on Day 1.

Yes, I would. I hate to say it, but if I don't someone else will. ;) Df or townie, I tend to instigate the majority of Day 1 lynches.

So yeah, the reason I keep mentioning Issac without making a direct accusation is because while it's true he's one of the few things we are ABLE to discuss (along with me, FT, voting records, and the night kills), I don't have enough evidence yay or nay to make a convincing case, even for myself.


We appreciate the quote hunting. :D

Basically: I Am Open To Ideas. Anyone Have Some?


I guess we ought to see where Fox's accusation against Hieshyn go.

I pretty much agree on this point. I am never EVER sure about anything, and when I am I usually turn out to be wrong. The fact of the matter was that there was no evidence for either side, and both scenarios were just about equally likely.

Actually, since I'm already quoting things, I'll just quote my reasoning from Day 1:

My only main objection is your point saying that a non-random lynch is better than a random lynch. This CAN be true, but isn't always the case. A lynch isn't better simply because it's non-random; a lynch is better because it's non-random and built upon solid logic (or at least solid guesses).

Above, I made a post thinking about F-T's logic. It boiled down to two scenarios:

1) He is a DF, and decided to go from having zero suspicion on him to having major suspicion on him, on Day One. Likely part of an elaborate scheme to preemptively allay suspicion if the cop investigates him.

2) He is a Miller, knew something like this would come up eventually, and decided to do it now, rather than after he'd been investigated.

2 seems much, much more likely to me. It's obviously not working out as well as F-T had hoped, but a similar thing happened to Hopper last game: both had plans they thought would help the town, but instead drew the town's suspicion upon themselves.

Plan 1 requires a long term gambit, flying in the face of accepted DF wisdom, and ignoring the fact that on Day 1, everyone is pretty much equally suspicious- painting a bullseye on your face and telling people its fake doesn't make you less suspicious.

I was basically playing the odds like everyone else, but my rationale was "Which is more likely: A DF exposing himself for no reason, or a Lightsider trying something unorthodox and getting jumped on by nervous villagers?" Add to that the fact that many DFs have alternate abilities that make sacrificing even less attractive, and I felt confident in my choice.


Well, I suppose you were right in the end, but I still think that it was a rather over-confidant assumption. Idk. Both you and Isaac have become Persons of Interest, but we'll see.
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Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 is over. Gher - 08/02/2010 06:53:53 PM 3446 Views
List of Players Gher - 08/02/2010 06:58:04 PM 1240 Views
This is great, thanks! *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:19:25 AM 771 Views
Vote: Hieshyn Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:25:25 AM 1335 Views
Crap! Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:26:24 AM 1221 Views
Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Fox and Ravens - 08/02/2010 08:53:49 PM 1387 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Isaac - 08/02/2010 09:28:57 PM 1187 Views
Hey, by the way, are you Mafia? beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 09:34:46 PM 1337 Views
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Hah! You underestimate my ego, madam! beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:25:28 AM 1186 Views
A few questions and comments beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 09:29:06 PM 1264 Views
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Re: Third Party Fox and Ravens - 08/02/2010 10:34:38 PM 1203 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:47:03 AM 1247 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Isaac - 09/02/2010 03:53:18 AM 1226 Views
I thinking Lynching F-T was the right thing to do. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:45:13 AM 1200 Views
RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM 756 Views
You know what? Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:17:52 AM 1214 Views
NO! Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 01:31:57 AM 1173 Views
Re: You know what? Isaac - 09/02/2010 01:34:42 AM 1155 Views
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:38:45 AM 1209 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. Isaac - 09/02/2010 03:29:32 AM 1261 Views
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Re: Oh, I learned all those lessons last year. Isaac - 09/02/2010 04:50:41 AM 1295 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 03:36:28 AM 1240 Views
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See, that way the betrayal is personal. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:41:47 AM 1426 Views
Ouch *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:58:13 PM 740 Views
*NM* Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 01:02:30 AM 688 Views
Hypocop (Table) Kronin al'Sulc - 09/02/2010 12:59:06 AM 1291 Views
Beetnemesis, innocent. *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:17:10 AM 688 Views
Okay Isaac - 09/02/2010 01:29:09 AM 1088 Views
Kronin, innocent. *NM* Hobo - 09/02/2010 01:53:09 AM 648 Views
Isaac, Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 09/02/2010 02:12:07 AM 747 Views
Isaac, innocent *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:37:54 AM 678 Views
I investigated Fox and Ravens and found hi to be for the shadow. *NM* Hieshyn - 09/02/2010 04:46:50 AM 692 Views
Investigated fistofpainx, found him to be innocent *NM* beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:27:37 AM 693 Views
DK, found her innocent *NM* fistofpainx - 09/02/2010 01:48:11 PM 713 Views
Fox and Ravens, Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 03:57:50 PM 676 Views
Vote Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:30:51 AM 1274 Views
I'll add: list of players who did NOT vote yesterday beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:46:38 AM 1241 Views
RBIRL Hieshyn - 09/02/2010 04:45:19 AM 1169 Views
Hmmm, Hobo - 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM 1193 Views
We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles? beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:35:05 AM 1103 Views
Re: We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles? Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:16:19 AM 1207 Views
Re: Hmmm, Isaac - 09/02/2010 07:20:02 AM 1129 Views
Yeah, I agree with the Blaine rationalization beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 08:57:19 AM 1183 Views
Huh. Oh boy oh Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM 1028 Views
Care to give us your thoughts? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM 728 Views
Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM* Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM 690 Views
Well, yeah... Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:57:26 PM 1331 Views
Re: Well, yeah... Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 07:27:00 PM 1137 Views
I want to throw this out here. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM 1247 Views
What changed your mind? *NM* beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 687 Views
Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM 1205 Views
*NM* Fanatic-Templar - 10/02/2010 02:56:52 AM 617 Views
I thought you'd like that. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 10/02/2010 01:00:19 PM 609 Views
I was going to post a few thoughts here this morning... ranagrande - 09/02/2010 01:49:26 PM 1198 Views
Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? Hobo - 10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM 1260 Views
What tips me off is the "melted plastic". Kronin al'Sulc - 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM 1093 Views
Good point. Is an arsonist usually a third party? *NM* Hobo - 10/02/2010 12:28:10 AM 643 Views
That's so arbitrary, though. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM 1064 Views
EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM 1291 Views
That seems like good reasoning beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM 1228 Views
Re: That seems like good reasoning Isaac - 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM 1239 Views
That's a vig rule? I did not know that beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM 1205 Views
Well, it's pretty common sense. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM 1315 Views
I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable ranagrande - 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM 1150 Views
Oh, my bad then! *NM* Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 10:19:13 PM 701 Views
As the resident expert on vigilantism ranagrande - 10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM 1516 Views
Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM* Hobo - 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM 687 Views
He was a vig once or twice. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM 724 Views
I was the best vigilante you guys have ever had! *NM* ranagrande - 12/02/2010 02:19:57 AM 675 Views
The only vigilante we've ever had. Darth_Katie - 12/02/2010 02:25:20 AM 1146 Views
Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM* Hobo - 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM 670 Views
Maybe it's been proposed. Kronin al'Sulc - 10/02/2010 05:19:10 AM 1248 Views
Re: Maybe it's been proposed. Hobo - 10/02/2010 05:56:10 AM 1181 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? Isaac - 10/02/2010 12:50:51 AM 1364 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? White Flame of Tar Valon - 10/02/2010 01:11:50 AM 1138 Views
Because we have a SK *NM* Hieshyn - 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM 637 Views
I agree that we probably have a SK ranagrande - 10/02/2010 07:50:33 PM 1160 Views
Nah, I was just saying *NM* Hieshyn - 11/02/2010 05:06:54 AM 699 Views
wait a minute fistofpainx - 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM 1218 Views
Sensors? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 10/02/2010 01:42:36 PM 591 Views
Another thing Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM 1326 Views
F-T, I assume beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM 1148 Views
Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM* Isaac - 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM 703 Views
I don't think it could be a RB ranagrande - 10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM 1254 Views
Probably not, but not for that reason Isaac - 10/02/2010 08:32:57 PM 1221 Views
Huh. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:11:29 PM 1223 Views
Did anyone get any messages last night? beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 08:23:03 PM 1163 Views
Nope *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 10/02/2010 08:35:18 PM 667 Views
Me neither. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:14:46 PM 1209 Views
Re: Me neither. ranagrande - 10/02/2010 09:41:19 PM 1335 Views
RBIRL Fox and Ravens - 11/02/2010 04:52:12 PM 1154 Views
Good luck! *NM* Darth_Katie - 11/02/2010 07:05:40 PM 641 Views
Re: RBIRL Isaac - 11/02/2010 09:59:39 PM 1395 Views
We're stalling out a bit Isaac - 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM 1161 Views
Yep. Darth_Katie - 12/02/2010 02:58:02 AM 1105 Views
We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM 1234 Views
You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game Isaac - 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM 1390 Views
Yawn... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM 1349 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM 1317 Views
Re: Yawn... Darth_Katie - 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM 1245 Views
Re: Yawn... ranagrande - 13/02/2010 02:24:40 AM 1194 Views
He's brought up accusations on himself Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM 1357 Views
Dammit, I had a post and then it got deleted. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 01:45:31 AM 1181 Views
Alrighty, let's try this again. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM 1048 Views
Always happy to answer your questions beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM 1078 Views
Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM 1195 Views
Re: Yawn... beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM 1266 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:48:22 AM 1143 Views
On F-T's accusations against you. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM 1229 Views
Re: On F-T's accusations against you. Isaac - 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM 1123 Views
Oh, right, I modded that one. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 04:11:46 AM 1149 Views
That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM 1197 Views
Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one Isaac - 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM 1109 Views
I'm in second? Woo! Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM 1191 Views
Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod Isaac - 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM 1330 Views
I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM 1194 Views
Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you Isaac - 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM 1175 Views
Game 1 I remember. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM 1061 Views
Re: Game 1 I remember. Isaac - 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM 1392 Views
Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM 1375 Views
Oh, the MHael Steve incident! Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:42:31 AM 1180 Views
The game? Oh, right, that. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:41:43 AM 1095 Views
Actually... Gher - 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM 1284 Views
Sorry, it was my first game. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 03:34:16 AM 1363 Views
That was my point actually. Gher - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1240 Views
Those were the good old days. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1236 Views
random thoughts ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1136 Views
I wasn't in that game. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1150 Views
A second line of thought: ranagrande beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM 1456 Views
Argh... quote please Isaac - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1223 Views
Haha, fair enough beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:30:54 PM 1042 Views
I was getting all set to defend myself ranagrande - 13/02/2010 01:21:58 AM 1303 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/02/2010 06:11:55 AM 1243 Views
Back White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1257 Views
Vote: Hieshyn Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 1045 Views
Re: Hieshyn ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1343 Views
Well, it's less that discussion is winding down, and more that we don't have any new topics beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 05:48:22 PM 1097 Views
That's giving up awfully early. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1118 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! ranagrande - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1251 Views
Well this was unexpected. Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1154 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1167 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 1075 Views
I don't think so Isaac - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1183 Views
I assumed Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1169 Views
Re: I assumed Isaac - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1234 Views
In a way Isaac is right Hieshyn - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1199 Views
If he was the SK Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1278 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1152 Views
9 *NM* Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 716 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1149 Views
Oh that's right! Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1130 Views
We just took that game over. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1216 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1114 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1235 Views
Lol irony Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1199 Views
what I thought was pretty funny fistofpainx - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1198 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 699 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1202 Views
That was a fun one. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1238 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1278 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* fistofpainx - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 759 Views
Eh... not good enough beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1185 Views
Holiday weekend Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1147 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1291 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1393 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1211 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1266 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1224 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched Isaac - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1267 Views
Oh, I know it can. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1223 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. Isaac - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1289 Views
Since when are you against traps? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1119 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly Isaac - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1168 Views
It's weird- I've never played Live Mafia, but I imagine it's very different. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 1299 Views
I'm glad it did too. ranagrande - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1223 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot Gher - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1284 Views
I'm still here, I've been busy with studying, and hadn't realized I was gone this long. Bergioyn - 16/02/2010 06:50:44 AM 1189 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* Darth_Katie - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 713 Views
Sorry all. Friday thru Monday suddenly got really hectic, I wasn't home much at all. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:54:02 AM 1208 Views
So, where are we at? Isaac - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1211 Views
Re: So, where are we at? Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1243 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1238 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1330 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself Isaac - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1199 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1108 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1134 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question Isaac - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1145 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1315 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1153 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1367 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1140 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it Isaac - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1192 Views
A few thoughts ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1141 Views
Alright then. Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 974 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1281 Views
Haha, I'm sorry beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1143 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1277 Views
Naive? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1282 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1231 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1028 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1127 Views
Re: Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:40:47 PM 1108 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1186 Views
Re: EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1097 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1112 Views
Speaking of that game Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1170 Views
Re: Speaking of that game Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1171 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1169 Views
Hey. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1210 Views
Re: Hey. White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1222 Views
Re: Hey. ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1152 Views
Re: Hey. Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1291 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1112 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1260 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 706 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 698 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 680 Views
Fair enough *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 657 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1201 Views
I think that fistofpainx - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1257 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1165 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1168 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1095 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1237 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. Darth_Katie - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1139 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1193 Views
About voting ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1219 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1250 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Gher - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1216 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1251 Views
I agree ranagrande - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1051 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1153 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1152 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 684 Views
After seeing this thread.... Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1070 Views
Go ahead and start one then. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1207 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. Isaac - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1298 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1294 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1354 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1156 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1197 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 764 Views
Fox and Ranagrande Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1288 Views
Some comments... Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1250 Views
Alright. Gher - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1249 Views
Thanks Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1103 Views
Re: Thanks Isaac - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1098 Views
Ranagrande *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 659 Views
Really? beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1189 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 724 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 680 Views
Re: Thanks beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1185 Views
I do have a question Isaac - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1259 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1246 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1149 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1235 Views
Not sure I follow Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1248 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1262 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1368 Views
I think I do ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1129 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1161 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 678 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1316 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1364 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1199 Views
I hadn't even seen Beet's post at the bottom there until after I'd posted this. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:44:49 PM 1181 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1181 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 Bergioyn - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1273 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1246 Views
That sounds about right to me. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1209 Views
I'll try to, I just may not have the time to. If I do, I'll definately read them all. *NM* Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:05:24 AM 622 Views
(My two cents) beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1242 Views
Dude. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1232 Views
Re: Dude. beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1181 Views
Thanks. Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1244 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1269 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1264 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1337 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande Isaac - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1377 Views
Fair enough beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1321 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1228 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1179 Views
Numbers? beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1333 Views
Re: Numbers? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1329 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1142 Views
Maybe I missed it.... Kronin al'Sulc - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1296 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1176 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... White Flame of Tar Valon - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1144 Views
I will destroy the world beetnemesis - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1288 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 583 Views
Ok, that's totally different... beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1140 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1254 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 586 Views
Yea.... beet's looking worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, so to speak. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 09:00:47 PM 687 Views
No, this is my view: beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1281 Views
And my view was: Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1163 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1235 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1162 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1186 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Hieshyn - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 680 Views
Can I ask why? Fox and Ravens - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1175 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* ranagrande - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 686 Views
Ditto. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 694 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected Isaac - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1240 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 682 Views
Eh? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 669 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1156 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn Isaac - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1340 Views
You're right, Isaac. Fox and Ravens - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1339 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 590 Views
I'll agree. Beet has been suspicious, and we havent found enough with ranagrande to continue *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 26/02/2010 02:00:36 AM 714 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! ranagrande - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1246 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1240 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap Fox and Ravens - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1254 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1297 Views
RBIRL. Had a lot of school stuff, gone for the weekend. Sorry. *NM* Hobo - 27/02/2010 01:05:40 AM 683 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1328 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1219 Views
Could be Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1178 Views
Re: Could be Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1268 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1129 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here Isaac - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1236 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1036 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1219 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1129 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 703 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1235 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1407 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1161 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it Isaac - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1207 Views
Oh, right. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1081 Views
Vote: ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1162 Views
Hmmm White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1054 Views
Re: Hmmm beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1213 Views
What, if anything, has changed? Isaac - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1176 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 650 Views
A little joke Isaac - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 1779 Views
Haha nice. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1315 Views
Re: Haha nice. Isaac - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1730 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1145 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 689 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1177 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? Isaac - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1155 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1293 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1178 Views
fair enough White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1117 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1157 Views
Vote: beetnemesis White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1226 Views
EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1150 Views
"Jumpy?" beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1105 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1210 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1256 Views
What a rebel beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1147 Views
me and beet ranagrande - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1254 Views
my stance on voting fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1293 Views
Re: my stance on voting White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1321 Views
well the reason my not posting as much fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1200 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1102 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? Hieshyn - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1322 Views
LOL *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 652 Views
RBIRL until thursday. Bergioyn - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1134 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds Fox and Ravens - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1210 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 657 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* Isaac - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 747 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? Gher - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1163 Views
Please Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1215 Views
beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1334 Views
Re: Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1235 Views
Did you unvote? Gher - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1264 Views
I always forget that! Fox and Ravens - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1138 Views
I'm sorry. Darth_Katie - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1224 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1168 Views
Its Hammer Time! Hieshyn - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1206 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1126 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1066 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1062 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1136 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1109 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced Isaac - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1065 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1148 Views
Well you figured very wrong Isaac - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1296 Views
All right, let's look at this Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1266 Views
This is a very interesting development ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1278 Views
Ditto. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1397 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1049 Views
Gosh. beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1187 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1283 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1178 Views
Now we are down to Fist White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1107 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1206 Views
You brought this upon yourself. Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1151 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1232 Views
Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1253 Views
I'm back. Hobo - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1260 Views
I'll give it a shot beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1278 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1300 Views
No. *NM* Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 720 Views
No *NM* ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 706 Views
Nope. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 633 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 673 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 601 Views
No *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 728 Views
No *NM* Hieshyn - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 665 Views
No, sir *NM* Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 766 Views
Nope. *NM* Hobo - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 648 Views
No. *NM* Bergioyn - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 675 Views
no *NM* fistofpainx - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 689 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay Isaac - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1058 Views
To the roleblocker: beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1260 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* Isaac - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 693 Views
I think that's everyone. Darth_Katie - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1075 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1378 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1325 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1119 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. Hobo - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1168 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1221 Views
Not a bad idea Isaac - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1246 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched Gher - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1219 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 671 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 594 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* Hieshyn - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 744 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1284 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven ranagrande - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1284 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves beetnemesis - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1313 Views
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