I had just said that I will tell you what's up in my last post. I know you read it. Don't say nobody's willing. I asked you questions in that post that you just decided not to respond to. Very frustrating, if you ask me.
You wrote like maybe thirty words, which included asking me what I would like explained. Considering the message you replied to was basically 'all of it' your response is very similiar to this:
"Senator, do have an opinion on Afghanistan?"
"Yes"
You see how the question kind of implies "and will you tell us what it is?"
I asked:
"if ranagrande said something suspicious someone's gonna have to explain what and how."
and you responded:
"Hmm...well as I said, I thought I made myself pretty clear but yeah...I'm jsut about ready to vote for him if this inactivity gets any worse. I, myself, have had a test today and have another tomorrow which I should be studying for. So I'm gonna get back to that. But give me what your confused about with ranagrande or just tell me that you don't understand it at all and I can go back over my points for you."
Emphaisis mine, I think the answer to that was probably legitimately implied by my saying in the post before that "and again, if ranagrande said something suspicious someone's gonna have to explain what and how. I tihnk my own personal level and form of paranaoi might make me a bit color blind on some things." This seems to me to be a pretty blunt statement translating as "I have no idea what you guys are talking about, please explain", so you see how asking me to tell you what I'm not clear on is sort of a needless question, since the context seems pretty clear that the part I'm not clear on is everything. Okay, I got the 'inactivity thing' but you didn't really show that and I had to check and it turned out to be wrong.
Now, keep in mind I am also talking to beetnemesis, not just you. I already clarified that ranagrande's posting is not low, either compared to player average or his own tendency, which was the only point you got specific on. He had 25 posts, out of around 400 with 14 players and a mod. 400 divided by 15 is 26, 25 is not much lower than 26, and let's not forget that quite a lot of the posts were me and FT skirmishing, me in my usual long-winded fashion, and a bunch of the players from early games (which he isn't) discussing earlier games. I'm disinclined to vote for someone based off their inactivity when they're basically average. Having assumed you read that, since you just replied to the message I said it in, I would like to know what else beet and presumably you find suspciious in his comments, since his 'inactivity' is not even vaguely suspicious, seeing as it is not true.
So his posting rate seems normal, especially for him, he's never been a highly frequent and lengthy poster. Now, I'm tempted to post all his posts in one big mush below and have you and fox point out to me what he says that you both consider so suspicious, because I think I've reread all his comments by now and I'm not seeing it, and all I'm getting in feedback is 'his comments are suspcious', well, I need to know which comments you think are suspicious and why you think they are. Maybe if you point them out to me I'll see it, but as is, just rereading his comments they seemed normal chatter.
Do it, and I'll do my best.
Do what? Post the entirety of his every comment? That's fairly time consuming consider I'm not the one accusing him, you and beet are you know, traditionally, the prosecutor doesn't ask the defense attorney "Well, if you're read off everything he's done in the last month I'd be happy to tell you which of those we are charging him for", I kinda assumed you and beet already knew what was suspicious.
I don't know about you being suspicious but I gotta go study some more so I can't post anymore of my thoughts now. Later, though, after you ask some questions about ranagrande, I'll talk more.
I have the same question as before, "What has he done or said that you find suspicious?" I have no idea how else I am supposed to phrase that Fox. All give it a try, here is what I would like you and/or beet to answer.
Are there some comments he has made you find abnormally suspicious? If yes, please indicate which ones via quaotation or link.
If such comments exist, please explain clearly why they are suspicious, please do not include the words 'vibe', 'instinct', or 'feeling'
Do you, after my posting his total post value and the average, feel that he has been abnromally inactive? If yes, do you mean inactive compared to the average or inactive for his norm. PLease show numerical proof.
Are there any actions you have taken which you feel highlight him as a suspect?
If yes, what actions are they and why do you feel they highlight him?
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 is over.
- 08/02/2010 06:53:53 PM
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Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
- 08/02/2010 08:53:49 PM
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Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
- 08/02/2010 09:28:57 PM
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Hey, by the way, are you Mafia?
- 08/02/2010 09:34:46 PM
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I am not Hopper
- 08/02/2010 10:37:55 PM
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- 08/02/2010 10:37:55 PM
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Maybe I am AWESOME
- 08/02/2010 11:19:48 PM
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A few questions and comments
- 08/02/2010 09:29:06 PM
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Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
- 09/02/2010 02:47:03 AM
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RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM*
- 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM
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You know what?
- 09/02/2010 01:17:52 AM
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Re: You know what?
- 09/02/2010 01:34:42 AM
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Heh, inorganic chemistry.
- 09/02/2010 01:57:39 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
- 09/02/2010 02:38:45 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
- 09/02/2010 03:29:32 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
- 09/02/2010 03:36:28 AM
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Well thanks for the encouragement.
- 09/02/2010 04:14:50 AM
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- 09/02/2010 04:14:50 AM
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Heh, Mafia: Other than the occasional lynching or assassination, we're one big supportive family.
- 09/02/2010 04:24:26 AM
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Hypocop (Table)
- 09/02/2010 12:59:06 AM
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I investigated Fox and Ravens and found hi to be for the shadow. *NM*
- 09/02/2010 04:46:50 AM
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Hmmm,
- 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM
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We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles?
- 09/02/2010 06:35:05 AM
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Re: We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles?
- 09/02/2010 07:16:19 AM
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Huh. Oh boy oh
- 09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM
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Care to give us your thoughts? *NM*
- 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM
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Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM*
- 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM
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I want to throw this out here.
- 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM
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What changed your mind? *NM*
- 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM
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Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone.
- 09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM
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Why is everyone assuming we have a SK?
- 10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM
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What tips me off is the "melted plastic".
- 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM
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That's so arbitrary, though.
- 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM
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EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante.
- 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM
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That seems like good reasoning
- 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM
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Re: That seems like good reasoning
- 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM
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That's a vig rule? I did not know that
- 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM
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Well, it's pretty common sense.
- 10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM
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I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable
- 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM
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As the resident expert on vigilantism
- 10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM
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Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM*
- 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM
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He was a vig once or twice. *NM*
- 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM
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Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM*
- 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM
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Because we have a SK *NM*
- 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM
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wait a minute
- 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM
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Another thing
- 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM
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F-T, I assume
- 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM
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Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM*
- 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM
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I don't think it could be a RB
- 10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM
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We're stalling out a bit
- 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM
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We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine...
- 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM
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You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game
- 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM
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Yawn...
- 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM
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Re: Yawn...
- 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM
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Re: Yawn...
- 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM
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He's brought up accusations on himself
- 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM
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Alrighty, let's try this again.
- 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM
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On F-T's accusations against you.
- 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM
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Re: On F-T's accusations against you.
- 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM
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That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records
- 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM
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- 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM
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Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one
- 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM
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I'm in second? Woo!
- 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM
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Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod
- 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM
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- 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM
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I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT.
- 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM
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Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you
- 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM
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Game 1 I remember.
- 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM
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Re: Game 1 I remember.
- 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM
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Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart.
- 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM
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Actually...
- 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM
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A second line of thought: ranagrande
- 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM
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Vote: Hieshyn
- 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM
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Re: Hieshyn
- 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM
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Well, it's less that discussion is winding down, and more that we don't have any new topics
- 15/02/2010 05:48:22 PM
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Well this was unexpected.
- 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM
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Re: Well this was unexpected.
- 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM
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I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF
- 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM
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If he was the SK
- 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM
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Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession.
- 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM
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Oh that's right!
- 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM
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Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession.
- 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM
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Lol irony
- 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM
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So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people
- 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM
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OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing.
- 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM
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Ooo sneaky sneaky
- 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM
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Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky
- 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM
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You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched
- 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM
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Oh, I know it can.
- 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM
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Re: Oh, I know it can.
- 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM
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It's weird- I've never played Live Mafia, but I imagine it's very different.
- 16/02/2010 08:58:09 AM
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I'm still here, I've been busy with studying, and hadn't realized I was gone this long.
- 16/02/2010 06:50:44 AM
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Sorry all. Friday thru Monday suddenly got really hectic, I wasn't home much at all.
- 18/02/2010 01:54:02 AM
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So, where are we at?
- 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM
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EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7
- 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM
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OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself
- 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM
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Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself
- 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM
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Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything
- 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM
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Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off.
- 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM
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You seem to have misunbderstood my question
- 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM
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Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question
- 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM
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Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2
- 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM
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Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2
- 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM
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Thanks, all right let's review it
- 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM
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Alright then.
- 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM
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EBWOP
- 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM
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Re: EBWOP
- 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM
1478 Views
Naive?
- 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM
1483 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick
- 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM
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We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like
- 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM
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Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game...
- 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM
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Re: Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game...
- 19/02/2010 08:40:47 PM
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Re: EBWOP
- 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM
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Re: EBWOP
- 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM
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Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN!
- 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM
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Hey.
- 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM
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Re: Hey.
- 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM
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FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF
- 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM
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Don't put words in my mouth.
- 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM
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Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM*
- 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM
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But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM*
- 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM
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fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts?
- 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM
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I think that
- 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM
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Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions...
- 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM
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All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
- 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM
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Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
- 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM
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Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
- 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM
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I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence.
- 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM
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Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going
- 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM
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In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll)
- 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM
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Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll)
- 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM
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Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no
- 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM
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After seeing this thread....
- 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM
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Go ahead and start one then.
- 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM
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Re: Go ahead and start one then.
- 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM
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Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere?
- 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM
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Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere?
- 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM
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Alright.
- 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM
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Thanks
- 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM
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Re: Thanks
- 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM
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Ranagrande *NM*
- 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM
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Really?
- 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM
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Re: Thanks
- 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM
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Well, you kind of said it yourself.
- 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM
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I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande
- 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM
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Not sure I follow
- 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM
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Items of note from my NB archive:
- 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM
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I am kind of confused about what you're doing here.
- 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM
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I'm feeling the same thing.
- 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM
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I hadn't even seen Beet's post at the bottom there until after I'd posted this.
- 22/02/2010 07:44:49 PM
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Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2
- 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM
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Alright. Here's a quick synposis
- 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM
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That sounds about right to me.
- 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM
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I'll try to, I just may not have the time to. If I do, I'll definately read them all. *NM*
- 23/02/2010 07:05:24 AM
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Another minor piece against ranagrande
- 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM
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Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande
- 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM
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Fair enough
- 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM
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Re: Fair enough
- 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM
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Maybe I missed it....
- 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM
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Re: Maybe I missed it....
- 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM
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I will destroy the world
- 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM
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And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM*
- 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM
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Ok, that's totally different...
- 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM
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All that's different is the presumed final intent.
- 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM
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Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM*
- 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM
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Yea.... beet's looking worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, so to speak. *NM*
- 24/02/2010 09:00:47 PM
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No, this is my view:
- 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM
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And my view was:
- 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM
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shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know
- 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM
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Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM*
- 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM
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Can I ask why?
- 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM
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We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn
- 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM
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You're right, Isaac.
- 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM
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Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM*
- 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM
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I'll agree. Beet has been suspicious, and we havent found enough with ranagrande to continue *NM*
- 26/02/2010 02:00:36 AM
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At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap
- 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM
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RBIRL. Had a lot of school stuff, gone for the weekend. Sorry. *NM*
- 27/02/2010 01:05:40 AM
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Sorry I've been insanely busy.
- 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM
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This seems a lot like an OMGUS.
- 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM
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Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy.
- 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM
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Okay, let's try to finish off today
- 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM
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Interesting.
- 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM
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I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it
- 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM
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Vote: ranagrande
- 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM
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What, if anything, has changed?
- 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM
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Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM*
- 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM
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A little joke
- 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM
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Yikes (warning: lots of text)
- 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM
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Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis
- 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM
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my stance on voting
- 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM
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Re: my stance on voting
- 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM
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Perhaps a deadline would liven things up?
- 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM
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I hope you all feel really guilty about this
- 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM
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Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days
- 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM
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..I can and HAVE rebutted these.
- 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM
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EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right.
- 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM
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I'm sorry, I am not convinced
- 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM
1282 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok...
- 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM
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All right, let's look at this
- 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM
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I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely.
- 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM
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At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case
- 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM
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You brought this upon yourself.
- 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM
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Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No'
- 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM
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Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay
- 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM
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I think that's everyone.
- 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM
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Well, Beet already hammered.
- 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM
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Beetnemesis has been lynched
- 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM
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Sorry Beet!
*NM*
- 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM
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*NM*
- 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM
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You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM*
- 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM
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Yo, what did I do to you? *NM*
- 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM
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I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED!
- 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM
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*NM*

*NM*