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Thanks, all right let's review it Isaac Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM
He seems to be as good a candidate as any right now, and the day's discussion does seem to be winding down. I'm not going to vote just yet, as I'd like to see how he responds, but I likely will if nothing else comes up.


My first take on this (I have not yet read your comments other than a skim to see you'd made them) is that this translates as:

Townie: He's as good a candidate as any other, apparently better form what you said, I'm not ready to vote for him yet... since you emphasized you were trying to get him to talk, my saying I'm willing to vote for him as is can only furhter encourage him.

DF: He's as good a candidate as any other, apparently better form what you said, I'm not ready to vote for him yet... but if the case get's stronger, he'd make a good frame-up.

Thoughts: Comments are insufficiently long to determine specific intent, originate from a player with no established MO, and do not seem particular out of the ordinary. However, base don your own aggressive approach on it, and your comment that "While I'm not entirely suspicious of him, I really want him talking. If he doesn't talk, we might as well lynch him anyway if we end up with no one else to vote for." could easily be seen as an outright request for support, or easily be viewed by a sympathetic townie as reason to join you in taking a firm stance to get Hieshyn talking.

First thing's first. This post is my main argument here. Obviously, my point is that he jumped on it pretty strong. THere was admittedly no evidence other than lack of talking. I scrounged up what I could and put some sauce on it and that was my post of Hieshyn. Then, immediately, probably thinking he could get a quick lynch because of the inactivity (of the game and Hieshyn), he jumped right on and said he would vote for him without giving any explanation.


Well, his response is stronger than player-average, but not out of the ordinary, I've seen parallel levels of aggression from townies and DFs, no real pattern to it, I'd go so far as to say townies do this more often then DFs, of course they make up the majority of the players so it's not exactly contradictory evidence. But yes, I definetly see what is being regarded as suspicious there, but I'm inclined to think he was just engaging in active, threatening support to get Hieshyn talking than really trying to say, against all common sense, that he was fine with randomly lynching someone. DF's do make mistakes like that but I can see a pretty straight forward Occam's Razor on this one.

Just adding the text in here:

No, it's actually L-1
ranagrande Send a noteboard - 05/02/2010 03:17:32 AM
I'm still not convinced that he's a darkfriend, but as has been pointed out by several people, there are advantages here even if we do end up lynching a townie. Also, I really don't have another suspect at this time to make a case against.

So I am going to

Vote: Fanatic-Templar.

I'm sure tomorrow we will have much more to discuss.


Once again, without reading your comments first. This is certainly something a DF would say, but the reason they'd say it is because it's also something a townie would say. I know you and beet didn't vote for FT, but those of us who did, this is pretty much what we were all thinking. Probably why none of us leapt on the statement, I personally said basically the same thing.

It's just his vote for FT. He voted when everyone else was. I assumed there was bussing and IIRC, I said as much. He voted very quickly and very late for FT. While this isn't a good stand alone point, it does emphasize my first quote.


Well, I know we always say DFs tend to join a lynch late, but I'm not sure how true that's really been. That lynch went down a bit strangely because it was so WIFOM, we argued about it for days trying to come up with ideas and alternates, then we say an uptick in comments that basically were 'we're stil waiting for options, but the clocks running out and nobody's given us any' then someone voted (I think it was fist) and basically everyone else just rolled their vote in as they showed up, their wasn't really any more debate after the first vote, just people recording their reasons for the vote, mostly their excuses for voting if the vote went sour.

Take Kronin's statement, which roughly paralleled the others:

Vote: Fanatic-Templar
Kronin al'Sulc Send a noteboard - 04/02/2010 08:58:16 PM
I feel like we've just about reached a dead-end, and I feel he's a likely to be guilty as not. Hell, either way, we have some information.


Now, this is basically the same thing ranagrande said, just a couple earlier. DK just said 'for all the reasons previously stated' which had been established as basically what ranagrande and Kronin said. Now, Napoleon, who we know for sure had townie motives, said:

I agree with D_K actually
Napoleon62 Send a noteboard - 04/02/2010 08:32:09 PM
I'm not really sure that F-T is a DF but I don't really support a random lynch when we have a perfectly viable canditate right in front of us. So...

Vote: Fanatic-Templar


Which is in keeping with all the others, no different than ranagrande's. It's not that a DF might not say that too, just that it's not a comment that can be used to distinguish them from town.

Another:

This on the other hand... We can't allow ourselves to be so focused on a single target that broadening our horizons should elicit such a negative response, and especially not on Day 1.

More accusations will make the game more active and create more conversation. More conversation will create more opportunity for darkfriends to trip themselves up. Even if we don't recognize it now, that could be invaluable later on.

Also, it's not like the case against F-T will disappear just because someone named a new suspect. I said earlier that my initial response to the Miller roleclaim was to believe him, and I still do for the most part, but I would welcome any evidence or conjecture to the contrary. Again, it is more activity and more conversation, which can only help us.

And now I have to say, if I wasn't suspicious of you before, I am now.

The suspicious part is his last statement here. It was in reference to Kronin saying that he'll be focusing on beet for trying to change our targets if FT turns out to be bad. Why are you so suspicious of Kronin for saying that he'll be focusing on beet? Honestly, to me, it just looks like your trying to make us leery of Kronin because he could be a threat to you. You may have your own interpretation but this is what it says to me.


That one seems pretty clear, beet was raising other targets, and Kronin (as the other target) told beet that he'd be gunning for him next if FT turned out guilty. Ranagrande is telling Kronin why he think it's important to explore other options and maximize debate, and that Kronin's threat to beet, which gives the appearance of trying to shut down alternate debate, makes ranagrande suspicious of him. In context, it is actually a fairly pro-town comment. Now, I agree with Kronin's sentiment, obviously if FT had turned out guilty we'd have strung beet up, but it's very clear from the context that ranagrande was accusing KRonin of being suspicious because his message could easily be taken as an attempt to shut down attempts to find alternate targets. Beet was the only one really doing much on that score, at that point I'd already said I would not, as I was angry over the respons eI'd gotten from exploring FT's case, and no one was really raising anything else. No, this comment really is more of minor point in ranagrande's favor than against.

As Katie said, Blaine has yet to post in this game. I'd say we could wait a bit and see if we get a modkill, but Gher has stated that all players are accounted for so he must have messaged him or something.


There's sounds like nothing more than usual player agitation about inactivity, which I could see your viewing as suspicious when the impression was that ranagrande himself was pretty inactive, and their for might be flavoring your thoughts, but as this was not the case...

Now, this comment actually predates FT's RC, and follows MPD discussions, and is in reply to a long post by me in which I was discussing ways to avoid tampering by the DFs while narrowing odds if we were forced to use a random lynch. I was asking people for ways to narrow down random selectees, suggesting we do our nominal potluck out of inactives is hardly surprising.

Same deal here. So Blaine hasn't posted yet and you're suspicious of him?? I mean, maybe if you were frustrated or dissapointed or just straight up ready to lynch, but suspicious? I don't see why you have cause for that.


I would say I consider finding a total inactive suspicious for that reason isn't exactly the best logic, but it's also not bad either. Context being important, this comment seemed totally in place as a reply to my own comments, of course, I was getting ready to suggest we pick our 'pool of three or four' as players who posted least, as punshiment for inactivity and/or encouragement to talk more, so I viewed Blaine's comments as a handy thing that saved me having to openly say it. Now, ironically this makes his comment in reply to your Hieshyn vote more likely to have been of the 'firm support of the threat to lynch if Hieshyn doesn't speak up' scenario. Regardless of his alignment, both comments seem to indicate that ranagrande is of the 'threaten to kill people if they don't participate more' mindset (which I share, perhaps why it is easy for me to regard his comments that way) and as we've seen, his posting numbers indicate this statement is not out of place or hypocritical.

These two following posts are a big one too.

That sounds like solid reasoning to me
ranagrande Send a noteboard - 30/01/2010 10:07:05 PM
I think I might be inclined to believe you.


This is in reply to FT giving his reasoning for the Day 1 miller claim, immediatly in reply to my own comment to FT's original RC post. I had not yet inserted any of the counter-reasoning for why there were advantages for a DF to make this claim. This sounds like a townie expressing limited support, who later changed after arguments were presented and no alternates showed up, this seems quit ein keeping with his later statements. Let me point out DK rpeplied to say the same, later expressed the same doubts, and later voted for the same reasons as ranagrande. So did many other players.

Yeah it is...
ranagrande Send a noteboard - 31/01/2010 04:55:29 PM
I had stopped paying close attention after my death in the last game too, but I still noticed Yunalesca's Miller claim. I don't really see how F-T could have missed it.


I maintain that it was very weird for FT not to know that and certainly it makes sense to be surprised that he didn't. Only later, as I pointed out, did we have reaosn not to think that was surprising, that Miller never appeared in any title of a message and that FT had posted he was very busy and distracted in a different game thread at a parallel time. Considering he was agreeing with me, DK, and Kronin at the time, that the comment seemed unlikely and dubious, this doesn't seem out of place. Once again, all it seems to note is that ranagrande was apparently saying and thinking along the same lines as the other players who voted for FT and were talkative, namely, me, Kronin, and DK, I tihnk you'd agree, it is most unlikely all four of us are on the same side as DFs.

This second post is in response to a post saying that the miller thing was something FT shouldn't have missed. Basically, I'm saying that his thoughts are quite scattered. He's changing sides here, visibly, which is something DFs tend to do. It's obviously not much but in a day, he went from agreeing with FT back to saying he didn't like what he's saying to eventually voting for him. This wishy washy posting makes me quite leery.


He changed no sides. Again, his comment sparallel those of most others who expressed initial tentative support of FT's claim then withdrew it as the possibility it might be a legit DF tactic and the lack of alternate candidates became clear. Wishy=washy posting is common to DFs, but it is also common to townies, and everyone was wishy-washy on FT who voted for him, mostly in the same way and degree as ranagrande expresses just in keeping with their own style.

And I think this is enough posts to call it quits. I could probably pull out more but I was able to take some little things out of a few posts. Maybe this is enough to clarify for you.


Well, I appreciate your taking the time and yes, it definetly clarifies, and I'm glad to see I wasn't missing some buried comment of his that was supsicious. I just do not, as I wrote above, have an inclination to regard those comments as suspcious.
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My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1796 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1543 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1596 Views
A few thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1580 Views
Alright then. - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 1385 Views
EBWOP - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1743 Views
Haha, I'm sorry - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1563 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1738 Views
Naive? - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1698 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1695 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1434 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1542 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1584 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1529 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1531 Views
Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1609 Views
Re: Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1559 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1599 Views
Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1643 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1674 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1601 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1754 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1526 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1739 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 967 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 951 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 943 Views
Fair enough *NM* - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 921 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1628 Views
I think that - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1663 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1613 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1584 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1500 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1654 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1542 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1639 Views
About voting - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1649 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1677 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1690 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1688 Views
I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1480 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1570 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1610 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 945 Views
After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1511 Views
Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1655 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1740 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1736 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1783 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1552 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1633 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 1028 Views
Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1775 Views
Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1680 Views
Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1671 Views
Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1532 Views
Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1506 Views
Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 931 Views
Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1649 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 1011 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 1018 Views
Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1614 Views
I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1703 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1679 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1588 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1680 Views
Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1669 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1708 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1793 Views
I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1566 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1591 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 937 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1766 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1836 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1646 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1617 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1649 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1679 Views
That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1659 Views
(My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1666 Views
Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1679 Views
Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1626 Views
Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1707 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1678 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1704 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1749 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1827 Views
Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1769 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1636 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1595 Views
Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1769 Views
Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1770 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1564 Views
Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1733 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1581 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1580 Views
I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1713 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 833 Views
Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1577 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1727 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 847 Views
No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1699 Views
And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1583 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1639 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1578 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1626 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 941 Views
Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1608 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 943 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 944 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1698 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 961 Views
Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 929 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1607 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1773 Views
You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1752 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 873 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1660 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1672 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1691 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1710 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1737 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1628 Views
Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1612 Views
Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1699 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1586 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1691 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1533 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1662 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1541 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 961 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1682 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1821 Views
Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1585 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1644 Views
Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1545 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1594 Views
Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1499 Views
Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1599 Views
What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1596 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 904 Views
A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 2388 Views
Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1773 Views
Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 2338 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1599 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 931 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1628 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1585 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1722 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1551 Views
fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1518 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1549 Views
Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1665 Views
EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1572 Views
"Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1554 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1664 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1652 Views
What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1591 Views
me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1684 Views
my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1685 Views
Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1723 Views
well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1635 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1510 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1739 Views
LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 899 Views
RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1543 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1615 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 949 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 1015 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1602 Views
Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1645 Views
- 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1743 Views
Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1619 Views
Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1649 Views
I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1550 Views
I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1623 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1562 Views
Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1627 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1537 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1481 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1537 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1554 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1531 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1510 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1594 Views
Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1743 Views
All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1693 Views
This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1721 Views
Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1819 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1480 Views
Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1595 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1713 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1588 Views
Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1532 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1608 Views
You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1574 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1655 Views
- 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1686 Views
I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1694 Views
I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1708 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1776 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 966 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 967 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 882 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 911 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 852 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 970 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 917 Views
No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 1014 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 906 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 928 Views
no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 932 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1495 Views
To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1662 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 930 Views
I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1505 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1803 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1739 Views
RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1546 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1581 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1626 Views
Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1684 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1671 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 938 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 851 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 999 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1702 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1715 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1754 Views

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