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LOL u so mad Dan Send a noteboard - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM
I do say! :)

I merely explained the connotations in French and why the use of female in English don't feel natural to French speakers even when rationally we're aware of the different/absent connotations.

How you read "disrespect" for English into that or why this sparked this little lecture with platitudes I'm all too aware of being Canadian, Québécois and having lived in a French/English bilingual environment all my life baffles me.


Maybe because the first line of the post was explicit agreement with Vivien?

"It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one."

So you weren't "merely explaining" the connotations in French and your feelings about it, you were also agreeing with Viven's assessment of "female" as derogatory and her normative claims about its use. Just because you used "femmelle" and its connotations in French as a springboard to agree with Viven's claims about "female" doesn't obviate it, and this in turn prompted me to just give a gentle, platitudinous reminder for people who like to overreach. So, maybe you need to go back and read what you said?

As far as platitudes go, only the second half could be said to filled with them, and that was just to prevent internet tears. And as far as being bilingual goes, well, getting your verbs to agree with the subjects of your sentence will go a long way to getting me to believe you, bro.




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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. Artsapat - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2475 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 1220 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 1049 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 1177 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* Aeryn - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 1033 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 968 Views
It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM* Cannoli - 04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM 1045 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. ironclad - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 1140 Views
Where do I start? Vivien - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 1144 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 995 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 1044 Views
But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well" Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM 1142 Views
His racism point... Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 951 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying A Deathwatch Guard - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 1034 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? Vivien - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 1137 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? A Deathwatch Guard - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 1042 Views
I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM 1105 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 1119 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph DomA - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 1063 Views
To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM 1018 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 1090 Views
Fair enough ironclad - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 1142 Views
Stop using female as a noun! Vivien - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 1026 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred ironclad - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 1083 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. Legolas - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 1035 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 947 Views
Thank you! ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 1066 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. Legolas - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 1049 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 1094 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. Legolas - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 1006 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 978 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 1220 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 958 Views
That's not what I said. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 1120 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 1012 Views
Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism. Dan - 06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM 1018 Views
Oh please. Stop telling females to shut up. *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:45:58 PM 1104 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 1016 Views
Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM 1087 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) Dan - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 1061 Views
Nope. (edit) Legolas - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 1047 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) Dan - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 1113 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. Legolas - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 983 Views
Ok. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1294 Views
Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes. Legolas - 07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM 993 Views
However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM* Aeryn - 05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM 961 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 1050 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. nossy - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 1079 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words Dan - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 1140 Views
LOL! You don't say... DomA - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 1022 Views
LOL u so mad Dan - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 1036 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 1000 Views
My dear Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 1070 Views
LOL ironclad - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 886 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 878 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 1031 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 984 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 985 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 1006 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 1030 Views
ooookay then. LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 1077 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM 1064 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! dacole - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 929 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. Vivien - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 978 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. nossy - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 1006 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. Dan - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 1028 Views
Fascinating. Vivien - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 1027 Views
Re: Fascinating. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 1032 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. Vivien - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 1013 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? Dan - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 1090 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. Legolas - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 950 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. Dan - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 990 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Legolas - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 980 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Dan - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 1130 Views
Aha, we found the problem Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 1088 Views
You're being disingenuous. Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 1005 Views
Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. dacole - 09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM 1005 Views
Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM* snoopcester - 06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM 867 Views
I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM 999 Views
To be fair Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 1029 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 1049 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 991 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Bored - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 1002 Views
This Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 995 Views
Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM* Legolas - 03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM 976 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 998 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* Mat Maniac - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 1044 Views
I think that might be debatable Cannoli - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 1029 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. Vivien - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 961 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character Cannoli - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 1077 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 979 Views
Rachel, of course. Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 1082 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) Legolas - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 1071 Views
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