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There are books? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 19/12/2015 11:19:07 AM


With most people just watching the movies, and not likely to read all the new books released recently / play the various games, I'm a believer that the movies should be self explanatory without reliance on the other material.

Unfortunately, I get the impression that here there is a bit that is perhaps explained in the books, but perhaps they thought it wasn't required in the movie?

My vague understanding of the situation from what I have read of synopses of books is that:

After ROTJ, the Empire was still around and fighting to hold on, there was a big battle at Jakku, where the Empire was decisively defeated, and so the Galaxy was then split in two - the remnants of the Empire and the new Republic.

The Empire eventually became the New Order, and a resistance against the New Order within the New Order territory formed, with covert support from the Republic. So the Republic in theory had a Navy / Army (and I believe this was mentioned in the movie), but wasn't at war with the New Order so not involved in fights.

I also believe that the New Order / Empire were firm believers in strength in Order / dictatorship / military rule, vs the potential issues in democracy.


I am assuming you're not talking about all that Expanded Universe stuff that was declared to no longer be canon once they started producing these movies.

So what books are you talking about?

Cannoli
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