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Re: I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) Sidious Send a noteboard - 20/12/2015 10:07:36 AM

it removed from the saga all the irritants from the prequels then essentially remade ANH with bits of ESB/ROTJ thrown in.

Essentially. It's shockingly similar in some ways - even repetitive. I think, though, that this is what SW fans yearned for after the prequels. The movie pandered to the fans. It's good and bad.


Anyway... concretely my main gripes are with the recycling of the "fallen Jedi" story line and the "kid found on a desert planet" story line.

I was expecting a fully functional Jedi Temple with several apprentices. It's ANH all over again.


The only good clue comes from Adam Driver, who says that Kylo Ren doesn't see himself as evil but as doing the right thing. I suppose he became convinced somehow that the Jedi were always evil and responsible for the war and chaos

I think there is a great backstory here. I wonder perhaps if Ren wasn't sent on some missions for Luke and became disillusioned with the general anarchy in the galaxy after the fall of the Empire? The collapse of the Empire may have somehow led to galaxy wide poverty. He probably complained about this to Luke and considering Jedi rarely give good answers to their desperate students, he became disillusioned with them. He perhaps even saw his parents as anarchists and yearned for order. Snoke may have played him on this.


Another hope is that they won't recycle for Rey the "dangers of being seduced to the Dark Side" arc. We've seen both sides more than enough already. Could we move on to other angles for the Dark vs. Light conflict, please? Another hope for Rey is that she won't turn out to have been "hidden for her own safety" by her loving family. I'm hoping Maz had it right that those she was waiting for would never come back to Jakku for her, that she was either abandoned there by someone who feared her emerging powers (and thus she's probably not a Skywalker) or else that if she's Luke's daughter she is believed to have been killed in the attack on his "academy" but in fact was kidnapped and abandoned on Jakku by a younger Kylo Ren who didn't have the balls to simply kill the little girl.

I'm pretty sure she has Skywalker genes. It's regrettable, but inevitable.


I'm not sure where the "Resistance" is coming from, though. Why aren't they the Republic's military? Why is that movement openly opposed to the First Order so small? When did it start? Why is someone like Leia at the head of the resistance instead of part of the Republic? Is the Resistance purely a continuation of a rebellion that never shed the arms, or is it a rebirth after years when the rebellion no longer existed?

The other question is how Snoke managed to gain resources that rivaled the original empire. To turn a planet into a weapon couldn't have been cheap, and he's clearly got the money to form vast armies and match the Rebels/Senate in might.


I'm eager to see where they'll be going with Luke, and to discover more about the circumstances of how and why he tried to bring back the Jedi Order

I thought this was kind of obvious. This is what I would do if I was Luke. I can't imagine it's healthy for the galaxy to have only one remaining Jedi and they're useful to have around.


and why the fall of Ben Solo led him to vanish. What was he trying to achieve, put an end to the war because his own efforts to bring back the Jedi Order was the cause of the First Order's attack in the first place?

Han said he felt guilty, and I suppose he blames himself for allowing Ren to fall, much like Obi-Wan felt with Vader. I also get the feeling that Ren and friends killed everyone at the Temple. Luke may be trying to start again in secret, to evade the dark side like Yoda did when he went to Dagobah. By training Rey there he can at least hope to match the FO as a team of well trained Jedis. Luke is also looking for the first Jedi Temple... not sure what he wants there, but perhaps to commune with former Masters and gain some wisdom.


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Star Wars : The Force Awakens review (spoiler free) - 17/12/2015 09:18:26 AM 2516 Views
Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 872 Views
Some (relatively spoiler free) thoughts - 18/12/2015 12:27:22 PM 1572 Views
I pretty much agree with most of that. - 18/12/2015 01:05:16 PM 1520 Views
Agreed, Driver did a great job..... - 19/12/2015 05:46:44 AM 1365 Views
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The books... - 21/12/2015 09:05:28 PM 1462 Views
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In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 1339 Views
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Palpatine's master? - 20/12/2015 02:25:45 PM 1373 Views
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Re: I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 10:05:49 PM 1416 Views
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Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 19/12/2015 06:07:16 PM 1411 Views
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Some thoughts about the Force... - 20/12/2015 06:04:43 AM 1490 Views
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Re: I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 20/12/2015 10:07:36 AM 1420 Views
Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1574 Views
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:11:30 PM 1424 Views
You're making me reply to two posts - 18/12/2015 03:29:23 PM 1447 Views
The death (spoilers) - 22/12/2015 10:30:05 PM 1393 Views
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Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 12:19:10 AM 1523 Views
Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1351 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1543 Views
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Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 826 Views
And Simon Pegg was the alien who ran the trading post Rey always went to *NM* - 20/12/2015 02:30:59 PM 914 Views
I got the impression he was actually her boss or contractor - 28/12/2015 12:48:48 PM 1466 Views
Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1390 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 878 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 1415 Views
Loved it (Spoilers) - 19/12/2015 06:16:54 AM 1351 Views
Fantastic characters, great entertainment, no originality, no logic - 29/12/2015 03:33:43 AM 1407 Views
Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 877 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 1324 Views
I gave it a B+ overall but I think the characters are its weak spot - 29/12/2015 05:08:15 PM 1194 Views
JJ Abrams' movies are character-driven, Lucas' movies are plot-driven - 30/12/2015 04:38:49 AM 1324 Views
Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 1292 Views
So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 10:11:01 AM 1383 Views
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Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 09:24:08 PM 1331 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 31/12/2015 04:58:24 PM 1298 Views
It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1334 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 1141 Views
Because the six other movies had zero female Jedis of any importance? - 04/01/2016 05:58:25 PM 1387 Views
Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 1264 Views
Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM 1357 Views
They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 1276 Views
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That's not really what I said, you'll note. - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1472 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1526 Views
Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1404 Views
Re: Wow. That's... sad. - 08/01/2016 03:08:58 AM 1365 Views
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Your premise is entirely wrong. - 12/01/2016 05:53:26 AM 1289 Views
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The culture wars are just about blacks and feminists. - 13/01/2016 02:31:20 AM 1348 Views
All that Paul said - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 1991 Views
LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 1309 Views
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It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1356 Views
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Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 1331 Views
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The reall issue it looks like Luke sucked as Jedi master - 07/01/2016 07:14:31 PM 1290 Views
Sorry, no. - 06/01/2016 06:56:09 PM 1386 Views
What a load of crap. - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 1263 Views
I only partially agree - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 1393 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1428 Views
Re: Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 08/01/2016 10:01:16 AM 1246 Views
Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 889 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 1292 Views
Of course it is - 09/01/2016 10:19:53 PM 1267 Views
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I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:07:26 PM 1354 Views
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It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1356 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1449 Views

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