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Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? random thoughts Send a noteboard - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM

To compare the action scenes fro movies made in 70s to movies made in 2015 is not really fair. At the time the space fights in the original movies was cutting edge and blew everyone away. Same thing with the acting. They spend a lot more time on casting and reshooting then they did back then and there was a lot more tolerance for cheesy lines. I will admit the acting in New Hop was only average while Force Awaken was above average but budget more the directing skill is accountable for that.

Look at some of the charters Lucas has created. Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Hans Solo, Chewbacca, Princess Leia,R2-D2, C3PO Yoda, Indiana Jones, Darth Vader, Willow ect ect. Which characters has Abrams created?

If anything the Force Awakens was the plot driven version of this story and that is what I criticized it for. Rey doesn't have a character arc and starts off pretty much the same as she finishes. She learns to use her power and accepts whoever she was waiting for is not coming back but their is not really much in the way of character development. She started a bas ass and finished a bad ass. Finn had a little more development but he still started off confused and ended confused. He biggest flaw is what you dismiss as simple annoying political correctness, he was made to weak in an effort make Rey more dominant. In New Hope on the other is your basic hero's journey and was the characters and the story that made it timeless.

Abrams had great characters in lost and Armageddon but nothing that has iconic weight of the characters created by Lucas.

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Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 771 Views
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In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 1116 Views
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So Darth Plagieus might still be in? Sweet. - 20/12/2015 04:44:21 AM 1107 Views
Palpatine's master? - 20/12/2015 02:25:45 PM 1120 Views
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Yeah, I think we're talking about the same one. - 24/12/2015 12:05:57 AM 1107 Views
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Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1343 Views
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You're making me reply to two posts - 18/12/2015 03:29:23 PM 1202 Views
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Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 12:19:10 AM 1292 Views
Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1114 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1298 Views
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Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 732 Views
And Simon Pegg was the alien who ran the trading post Rey always went to *NM* - 20/12/2015 02:30:59 PM 817 Views
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Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1160 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 779 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 1176 Views
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Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 779 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 1079 Views
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Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 1071 Views
So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 10:11:01 AM 1155 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 07:10:56 PM 1478 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 09:24:08 PM 1105 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 31/12/2015 04:58:24 PM 1074 Views
It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1105 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 919 Views
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Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 1043 Views
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They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 1045 Views
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That's not really what I said, you'll note. - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1247 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1298 Views
Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1174 Views
Re: Wow. That's... sad. - 08/01/2016 03:08:58 AM 1134 Views
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LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 1062 Views
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It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1115 Views
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Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 1094 Views
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Re: Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 08/01/2016 10:01:16 AM 1019 Views
Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 793 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 1064 Views
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What speaks against is for me... - 05/01/2016 10:57:44 PM 1451 Views
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It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1140 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1203 Views

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