Only one point because obviously your mind is made up.
NaClH2O Send a noteboard - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM
So you are saying that if anybody does anything at all, if there has been initial input by someone else than your work means nothing? Excuse me if I say BS! Lets take a real world example. I do warranty analysis for the people who make the NYC subway cars. The warranty team's job is to keep the trains running during the warranty period. Subway trains are incredibly complex pieces of machinery, software, and firmware with all kinds of systemic interlocks, communication and controllers. Some of our techs are absolutely brilliant diagnosticians who can get to the root of a difficult problem and determine how to fix it. If I tell one of these guy to fix the train, and he does, are you going to try to tell me that since I asked him to fix it that the repair isn't his but mine? And the credit goes to me? You gotta be kidding right?
Or take another example from my experience. I used to be a professional musician. Was in several small bands generally either quintets or sextets. Say someone hires us for a gig, small concert hall seating maybe 2000. It's a bad night, one guy has a bad cold, lead singer had a big fight with her boyfriend, the bass player wants to quit. We play terrible. But according to you our bad music would be the fault of the music director of the hall! Simply because he asked us to play there. I'm sorry but that idea is just plain nuts. I am responsible for my actions, my successes and my failures not someone else. And I be willing to bet that you'd scream bloody murder if some AS tried to take credit of something she asked someone else to do.
NaCl(pretty lame argument if you ask me)H2O
Or take another example from my experience. I used to be a professional musician. Was in several small bands generally either quintets or sextets. Say someone hires us for a gig, small concert hall seating maybe 2000. It's a bad night, one guy has a bad cold, lead singer had a big fight with her boyfriend, the bass player wants to quit. We play terrible. But according to you our bad music would be the fault of the music director of the hall! Simply because he asked us to play there. I'm sorry but that idea is just plain nuts. I am responsible for my actions, my successes and my failures not someone else. And I be willing to bet that you'd scream bloody murder if some AS tried to take credit of something she asked someone else to do.
NaCl(pretty lame argument if you ask me)H2O
You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous
- 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM
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Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower...
- 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM
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That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though.
- 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM
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When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and
- 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM
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And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization.
- 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM
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Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization.
- 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM
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Really?
- 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM
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Re: Really?
- 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM
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So lets add a few more
- 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM
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most of these are accounted for above
- 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM
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Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less
- 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM
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But who did the work?
- 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM
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While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower
- 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM
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So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count?
- 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM
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Re: But who did the work?
- 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM
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Only one point because obviously your mind is made up.
- 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM
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well, yeah
- 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM
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In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous.
- 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM
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Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous.
- 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM
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I don't understand your point
- 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM
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Re: I don't understand your point
- 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM
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I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow,
- 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM
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So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much
- 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM
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I'm talking about the organization as a whole
- 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM
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You just made our point...
- 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM
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WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development.
- 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM
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Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous.
- 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM
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- 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM
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To a certain extent
- 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM
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Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here.
- 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM
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Agrees with Nossy
- 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM
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