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He raised other issues too Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM
What is unrealistic is that someone with the experience of ruling the world is demoted to the point of being a servile nobody who has to endure a "be quiet until you are spoken to" attitude from the girls she used to rule.

If Michael Jordan is suddenly crippled and unable to get out of a wheelchair he would still have the respect of other NBA players, despite having lost his abilities.

Same with Roger Federer in tennis, or a gifted fighter pilot in the Air Force, or any other person who used to hold a position of acclaim and greatness.

Portraying her as having to show deference and servitude to women who used to be her subjects is ridiculous.


There are several reasons why Siuan is treated so badly. As Amyrlin she allowed something unprecedented to occur - the breaking of the Tower. Not only that, but most Sisters know that she is the actual reason for it too.

Secondly, she can't channel, which makes her less than the weakest novice. If Michael Jordan was paralyzed he would retain respect but if he tried to exert influence on able-bodied players he would soon find himself in deep water.

Finally, Siuan looks like a young girl, so it's even harder to respect her.

Liandrin was the head of the black ajah posse but when Moghedien shielded her they ignored her command within one paragraph. The Shadow is undoubtedly more hostile in this area, but it seems that the Light is equally abrasive once the ability is lost.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5120 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1128 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 929 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1175 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1048 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1048 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1055 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 917 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 916 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 507 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 522 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 461 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1002 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1129 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 963 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 988 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 961 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 961 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 884 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1087 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 990 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1129 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1010 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1170 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1001 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1049 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1007 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1025 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 958 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 789 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1193 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 938 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 893 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 954 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 979 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 922 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 906 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1008 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 951 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1143 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 977 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 974 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 856 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 573 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 517 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 840 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 967 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 964 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 958 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 868 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1002 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 948 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 938 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 994 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 885 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 922 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1012 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1080 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 832 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 898 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 997 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 973 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 829 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 828 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 935 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 970 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 795 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 966 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 895 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 785 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 998 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 805 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 895 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 913 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 850 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 853 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1045 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 612 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 867 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 998 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1005 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1003 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 898 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 889 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 885 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1145 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 864 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 894 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1010 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 832 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 952 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 921 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 928 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 775 Views
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