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You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM
What is unrealistic is that someone with the experience of ruling the world is demoted to the point of being a servile nobody who has to endure a "be quiet until you are spoken to" attitude from the girls she used to rule.

Because they believe that her right to rule was tied to her ability to channel.
Without that, she is now a normal person, and worse off than them because she's going to get depressed and soon die. She is a representation of a loss that is abhorrent to these women, and they've got to be around her.
But worse, many feel she actually deserved a little of what she got, and blame her for putting them in this untenable position. Why exactly would they show her respect now?
If Michael Jordan is suddenly crippled and unable to get out of a wheelchair he would still have the respect of other NBA players, despite having lost his abilities.

That would be because this was an accident. If Siuan had burned out during some difficult task, I'm sure the reactions of the Aes Sedai would have been quite different.
Same with Roger Federer in tennis, or a gifted fighter pilot in the Air Force, or any other person who used to hold a position of acclaim and greatness.

If they lost their ability due to some accident and did not screw up the lives of their followers. You completely ignore that and keep harping on the stilling as the only reason.
Portraying her as having to show deference and servitude to women who used to be her subjects is ridiculous.

No it isn't. Whining about it is.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5468 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1341 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1078 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1299 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1192 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1185 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1190 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1047 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1068 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 571 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 589 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 524 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1188 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1249 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1100 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 1162 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 1081 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1107 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 1010 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1219 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1126 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1292 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1135 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1307 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1135 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1203 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1142 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1168 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1096 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 908 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1398 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1075 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1029 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1108 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1106 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1071 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 1067 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1176 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1100 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1831 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1122 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1103 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 987 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 633 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 578 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 974 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1144 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1123 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1090 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 1002 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1154 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1074 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1085 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1159 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1021 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1049 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1141 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1217 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 962 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1034 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1130 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1106 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 957 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 964 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1077 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1119 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 922 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1107 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1029 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 913 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1173 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 932 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1036 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1046 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 971 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 987 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1168 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 673 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 1006 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1147 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1214 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1185 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1074 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1032 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1030 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1325 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 998 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1033 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1148 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 969 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1092 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1047 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1075 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 938 Views
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