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She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM
Siuan had the roughest treatment of any female character in this story; as comedic as it is imagining the former most powerful female ruler in the world washing socks, the lack of respect and authority she commanded once losing her strength and the stole after Stilling went a long way towards my position that the Aes Sedai are flawed and need to be destroyed for their own good.

RJ took some time earlier in the series conveying that despite her great strength in the Power compared to other Sisters, it was also a matter of her personality that enabled Siuan to exercise such authority. When her strength was lost and all she was left with was experience that could now only be used circumspectly, it really drove home how backwards the organization is - basically the most capable leaders are not able to enter positions of authority because of the politics that we are constantly told are flawed but work.

I understand that she is in love, but I just don't like her character arc - it's played way too much for me to take her seriously.


I always felt sorry for Siuan. She was caught in the webs of the Blue ajah by the time she was raised to a new Sister, and had even less chance of leaving the Tower than Moiraine did. With her sharp mind, it's no surprise that she was made Amyrlin. She was cursed with hearing the prophecy, being the strongest woman in the Tower, and worst enemy of the Reds and especially Elaida. Add in the Black Ajah and it's a miracle she lasted so long. In the end while Moiraine was gallavanting around with the DR, she was trapped and at the mercy of the Hall, who actually wanted Moiraine most of all.

Leane was a pure victim. It's kind of terrible what happened to her, but both women found new functions in life.

The two characters did make one realize how dependent they become on saidar. Without it, they're hardly even women anymore.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5120 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1128 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 929 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1175 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1049 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1048 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1055 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 917 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 917 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 507 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 523 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1003 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 963 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 961 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 884 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1088 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 991 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1129 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1011 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1171 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1001 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1050 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1007 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1026 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 958 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 789 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1193 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 939 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 894 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 955 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 979 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 923 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1008 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 952 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1144 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 978 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 975 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 857 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 574 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 517 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 841 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 968 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 964 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 958 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 868 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1002 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 949 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 939 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 995 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 885 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 923 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1013 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1080 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 833 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 898 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 998 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 974 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 829 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 828 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 936 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 971 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 796 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 967 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 895 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 786 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 999 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 806 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 895 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 913 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 851 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 854 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1045 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 868 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 999 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1006 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1004 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 899 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 890 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 886 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1146 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 865 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 894 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1010 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 833 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 952 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 921 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 928 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 775 Views

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