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The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM
IMO she actually made very few real mistakes, but she was walking a very thin line and it didn't take much to topple her, and Leanne got sucked in for the ride.

Siuan's main errors (IMO):

1. Secrecy, despite her fears of the BA she needed to tell the Hall something about the DR.

2. Arrogance, even knowing how tenuous her situation was she still ignored Min's viewing and changed nothing of her behavior and took no precautions.

3. Web of AS lies, like Moghedien Siuan got caught in her own web of deviousness ... had she not forced BA Hunting on the girls Elaida wouldn't have been sent packing from Caemlyn for reasons she could lay on Siuan. Couple that with her keeping Min around to "read" people and openly manipulating Gawyn and Galad in regards to Elayne's vanishing and you have a recipe for disaster.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5514 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1372 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1133 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1338 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1230 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1221 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1230 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1095 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1102 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 587 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 606 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 540 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1224 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1284 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1151 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 1219 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 1121 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1141 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 1047 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1255 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1160 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1333 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1170 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1340 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1172 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1245 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1182 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1207 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1132 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 950 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1428 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1115 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1067 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1146 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1141 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1105 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 1102 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1218 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1144 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1883 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1165 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1139 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 1027 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 654 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 598 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 1006 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1182 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1156 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1133 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 1038 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1201 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1105 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1124 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1196 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1059 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1088 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1182 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1258 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 999 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1068 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1171 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1148 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 997 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 1006 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1114 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1156 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 965 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1136 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1064 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 954 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1218 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 977 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1078 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1079 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 1008 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 1026 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1206 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 689 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 1049 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1185 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1247 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1218 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1110 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1074 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1071 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1360 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 1035 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1066 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1190 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 1009 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1132 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1093 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1120 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 970 Views
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