Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge.
Watcher Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM
I think the root of Siuan's problem was that she grew up in Tear which has to be one of the most oppressive societies in the Westlands. The High Lords rule with a capital R. Anyone lower down in the food chain does what he or she is told by her superiours or else. Siuan would not have had access to the top ranks of the nobility to realise that they play the game of houses among themselves.
Next she is sent to Tar Valon where as novice and accepted you jump with a sister says jump and you don't ask questions when it comes to the important things.
As soon as she becomes Aes Sedai she is taken in charge by the Blue for her new role as future spymistress and from New Spring it seemed that she was being tightly controled. Again the leason she would have learned is that while you might bitch about the boss a bit when a real order came down you did what you were told.
Finally she becomes Amyrlin and I think that while she may have rationally known that the Hall and Sitters had to be kept on side unconsciously she was of the mindset that she was the boss and when she gave orders the Hall and the rank and file Aes Sedai should obey. Perhaps she was not as extreme in her views as Elaida became but even by TGH there are signs she has very little influence over the politics in the Hall.
Moiraine would probably have made a better Amyrlin. Growing up among the shifting alliances of the noble houses of Cairhain she would had it instilled into her that one needs to put one's enemies on the back foot and keep one's allies happy and allied.
Siuan's intentions were good but then one might say Elaida's were as well both both women went about their goals in the wrong way.
As for Leane she had loyalty to her friend but I wonder is the Keeper suppost to inform on the Amyrin if she startes to skirt the law.
My understanding was that the Keeper was the mouthpiece of the Amyrlin and suppost to be her chief of staff. Having her spill on her boss would be a bit like having a US secret agent on protection duty for the president telling the first lady her husband was having an affair. They are there to do a job not to go running to tell the world about any scandle they come across.
Next she is sent to Tar Valon where as novice and accepted you jump with a sister says jump and you don't ask questions when it comes to the important things.
As soon as she becomes Aes Sedai she is taken in charge by the Blue for her new role as future spymistress and from New Spring it seemed that she was being tightly controled. Again the leason she would have learned is that while you might bitch about the boss a bit when a real order came down you did what you were told.
Finally she becomes Amyrlin and I think that while she may have rationally known that the Hall and Sitters had to be kept on side unconsciously she was of the mindset that she was the boss and when she gave orders the Hall and the rank and file Aes Sedai should obey. Perhaps she was not as extreme in her views as Elaida became but even by TGH there are signs she has very little influence over the politics in the Hall.
Moiraine would probably have made a better Amyrlin. Growing up among the shifting alliances of the noble houses of Cairhain she would had it instilled into her that one needs to put one's enemies on the back foot and keep one's allies happy and allied.
Siuan's intentions were good but then one might say Elaida's were as well both both women went about their goals in the wrong way.
As for Leane she had loyalty to her friend but I wonder is the Keeper suppost to inform on the Amyrin if she startes to skirt the law.
My understanding was that the Keeper was the mouthpiece of the Amyrlin and suppost to be her chief of staff. Having her spill on her boss would be a bit like having a US secret agent on protection duty for the president telling the first lady her husband was having an affair. They are there to do a job not to go running to tell the world about any scandle they come across.
Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif
09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM
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The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM
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That's total nonsense...
10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM
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No, THAT's total nonsense...
10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM
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You seem to deal in bad analogies...
10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM
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You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable.
10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM
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Hello Pot. I'm Kettle.
10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM
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Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan
*NM*
11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM
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Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM*
12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM
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Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM*
17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM
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All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office!
12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM
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Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM
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Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM
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They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ...
10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM
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"They"?
10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM
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Good point ...
10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM
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I don't know if I agree with this
11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM
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I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character
10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM
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She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine
10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM
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The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning
11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM
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This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored
11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM
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I don't really agree
11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM
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I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line
11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM
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I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds.
12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM
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In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it
12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM
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Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this.
12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM
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Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM*
12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM
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Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM*
12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM
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The Reds aren't petty
12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM
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Are you kidding?
12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM
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Unless of course there is truth to it
17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM
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There is none.
17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM
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Uhhh?
17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM
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...
17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM
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Re: ...
18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM
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Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT]
18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM
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*sigh*
18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM
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So, you're not kidding.
18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM
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Re: So, you're not kidding.
18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM
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Re: So, you're not kidding.
19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM
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On the minority thing...
18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM
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That's exactly the problem.
18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM
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Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red?
18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM
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Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist.
18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM
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why so pissy?
19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM
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Sorry.
20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM
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Interesting.
20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM
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Re: Interesting.
21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM
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No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM*
20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM
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There may be one explanation...
13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM
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That doesn't make sense.
13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM
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it was about more than just male channelers
18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM
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Yes, that's true.
18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM
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I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement
20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM
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That's also true.
20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM
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Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue
20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM
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AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge.
12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM
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Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge.
12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM
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No, I don't think so
13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM
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