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Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas Send a noteboard - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM
This would happen occasionally in Rome. Even the highest echelon of society could be demoted quite rapidly to the position of a gladiator or house slave, depending on the circumstances. Once you were there, you were not given special treatment. In societies where hierarchy is everything, demotion and promotion happen rapidly. You either become forgotten, or used as an omen of what happens when a person fucks up royally.

Hell, it's still like this today- high school cliques, publishing societies, politics, beauty pageants, celebrity status? You can go from being one of the most influential and respected members of a group/guild to a street sweeper with the spreading of one rumour. Tiger Woods, anyone? Whitney Houston (well, she was a crackhead...)? Various governors have had their careers destroyed because of adultery. It doesn't even matter, past a certain point, what good deeds they might have accomplished, society is (in large part) a here and now entity. Sure, in 100 years or so when a history book comes out, they might remember Person A for their accomplishments, but that is only after popular opinion has subsided (died, literally) and the information can be analyzed without the plebeian shadow of judgment.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5245 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1209 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 962 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1204 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1081 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1079 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1085 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 949 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 962 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 523 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 539 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1037 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 994 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 994 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 913 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1120 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1021 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1162 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1041 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1202 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1035 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1082 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1048 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1055 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 987 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 820 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1290 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 968 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 925 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 987 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1013 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 954 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1057 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 995 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1339 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1010 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1006 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 886 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 587 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 532 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 870 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 997 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1000 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 990 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 901 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1033 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 973 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 966 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1029 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 917 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 955 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1040 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1108 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 859 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 929 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1029 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1005 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 858 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 862 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 967 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1000 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 823 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 995 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 922 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 816 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1029 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 838 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 923 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 948 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 877 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 883 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1072 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 899 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1032 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1045 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1036 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 929 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 919 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 917 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1202 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 900 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 925 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1042 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 864 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 985 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 951 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 956 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 805 Views

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