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The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM
But I certainly think he fits the clues from the books and what RJ said best.

The question here is not who, but how. Be it Slayer or Graendal or Lanfear, the killer did not follow Asmodean, nor did the killer plan this location for Asmo's death. That is abundantly clear.

It was reported that RJ said Asmo is "roadkill". In slang that simply means - and I cite the free dictionary, but there are similar definitions elsewhere, too - : "One that has failed or been defeated and is no longer worthy of consideration." It's certainly not meant in its literal meaning, namely that Asmo is "an animal killed by being struck by a motor vehicle", since that wouldn't make much sense. Meriam Webster even defines roadkill as "one that falls victim to intense competition <political roadkill>", which would support the idea of a fellow Forsaken sending a killer to assassinate the rival Asmo.

"Roadkill" most likely means here that Asmo wasn't needed anymore in the story and thus the author let him die in some way, but not that the murder wasn't planned at all by the killer, and that it was basically a complete accident.

OMG! The lengths you go to...

Roadkill, in general usage, means a death that wasn't intended but was the direct result of someone's actions. Say there's a shootout, and someone walking by gets caught in the crossfire, it is legitimate to call them roadkill. That's what RJ meant, that Asmo was never the intended target of the killer (the killer may not have had a target at all). He died because he crossed her/him at the wrong place at the wrong time.

RJ also said that "timing is what you should focus on" and it's reported "he emphasized OPPORTUNITY as the key to knowing Asmodean's killer, even over motive (which got a mention)". This makes clear that someone saw an opportunity to kill Asmo, and managed it to get to the right place in time. This is further supported by RJ's statement that "Padan Fain didn't [kill Asmo] because he wasn't in the right place at the right time. He would have if he had been in the right place at the right time, but he wasn't."

That is total nonsense. If opportunity trumps motive, then that means that said person could not have been hanging around waiting to kill Asmo (even if they might have had a motive to kill him). The moment you make it that the killer was following Asmo around waiting to kill him, then you have to make it that motive trumps opportunity, which is directly against what RJ said.

This makes clear that the killer managed to use the opportunity to kill Asmo in time, likely because the killer figured where Asmo would go 8and if Asmo hadn't opened the small door, the killer had simply waited for another good opportunity).

No. It means that the killer was in the pantry, and when he saw Asmo defenseless and unprepared, she/he took the opportunity to strike. If Asmo hadn't opened the door, nothing would have happened.
Plus, that even Fain would have succeeded to kill Asmo, shows that certainly Slayer could manage it as well.

And you say you're not obsessed with wanting the killer to be Slayer?
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2811 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1494 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 801 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1296 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1236 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1174 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 743 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 706 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1301 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1603 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 836 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1311 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1407 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1257 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1285 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1343 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1391 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1271 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1209 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1194 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1226 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1342 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1291 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1223 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1344 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1132 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1121 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1093 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1443 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1292 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1381 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1380 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 749 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1236 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1302 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1295 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1214 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1282 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1238 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1235 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1251 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1411 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1294 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1294 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1213 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1319 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1362 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1443 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1219 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1334 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1202 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1283 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1298 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1136 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1263 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1128 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1165 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1232 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1325 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1164 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1172 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1326 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1257 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 644 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1281 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1262 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1271 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1189 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1244 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1269 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1299 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1174 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1243 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1262 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1215 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1246 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 1016 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1162 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1160 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1187 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1156 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 978 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1244 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1350 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 766 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 1055 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1258 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1484 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 974 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1397 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1194 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1188 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1167 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1203 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1115 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 713 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 770 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1239 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1206 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 717 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1266 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 813 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1191 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1223 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1194 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1216 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1277 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1285 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1245 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 1080 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 1077 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1142 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1114 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1129 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1088 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 749 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 1032 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 1042 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1175 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1364 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1212 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1132 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1245 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1245 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1161 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1129 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1171 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1153 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1222 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1292 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1206 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1140 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 746 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 1054 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 616 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 803 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1206 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1190 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1153 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1160 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 775 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1263 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1143 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1160 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1201 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1145 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1254 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1202 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1351 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1233 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1292 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1174 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1160 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1226 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1271 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1234 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1302 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1316 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 1059 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1149 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1115 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1262 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1187 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1200 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1125 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1157 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1263 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1610 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1170 Views
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