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None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM
But I certainly think he fits the clues from the books and what RJ said best.

It was reported that RJ said Asmo is "roadkill". In slang that simply means - and I cite the free dictionary, but there are similar definitions elsewhere, too - : "One that has failed or been defeated and is no longer worthy of consideration." It's certainly not meant in its literal meaning, namely that Asmo is "an animal killed by being struck by a motor vehicle", since that wouldn't make much sense. Meriam Webster even defines roadkill as "one that falls victim to intense competition <political roadkill>", which would support the idea of a fellow Forsaken sending a killer to assassinate the rival Asmo.

"Roadkill" most likely means here that Asmo wasn't needed anymore in the story and thus the author let him die in some way, but not that the murder wasn't planned at all by the killer, and that it was basically a complete accident.

RJ also said that "timing is what you should focus on" and it's reported "he emphasized OPPORTUNITY as the key to knowing Asmodean's killer, even over motive (which got a mention)". This makes clear that someone saw an opportunity to kill Asmo, and managed it to get to the right place in time. This is further supported by RJ's statement that "Padan Fain didn't [kill Asmo] because he wasn't in the right place at the right time. He would have if he had been in the right place at the right time, but he wasn't."

This makes clear that the killer managed to use the opportunity to kill Asmo in time, likely because the killer figured where Asmo would go (and if Asmo hadn't opened the small door, the killer had simply waited for another good opportunity).

Plus, that even Fain would have succeeded to kill Asmo, shows that certainly Slayer could manage it as well.


IMO him being in Caemlyn on that day at that time is a much more random event than any of the Forsaken checking it out.

Slayer doesn't have special powers to know where his prey may be at any given moment (he relied on information from his benefactor in WH), so how did he know Asmodean was even in Caemlyn in time for him to get there, find him and kill him? Asmo was there for less than a day when he was killed.

WH
Out of Thin Air

Isam paced the room, studying by the ever-present light of Tel'aran'rhiod. The bed linens shifted from rumpled to neatly made between one glance and the next. The coverlet changed from flowered to plain dark red to quilted. The ephemeral always changed here, and he barely noticed anymore. He could not use Tel'aran'rhiod the way the Chosen could, but here was where he felt most free. Here, he could be who he wanted to be. He chuckled at the thought.

Stopping beside the bed, he carefully unsheathed the two poisoned daggers and stepped out of the Unseen World into the waking. As he did, he became Luc. It seemed appropriate.

The room was dark in the waking world, but the single window let in sufficient moonlight for Luc to make out the mounded shapes of two people lying asleep beneath their blankets. Without hesitation he drove a blade into each. They woke with small cries, but he pulled the blades free and drove them in again and again. With the poison, it was unlikely either would have had the strength to shout loudly enough to be heard outside the room, but he wanted to make this kill his own in a way that poison could not grant. Soon they stopped twitching when he thrust a blade between ribs.

Wiping the daggers clean on the coverlet, he resheathed them with as much care as he had drawn them. He had been given many gifts, but immunity to poison, or any other weapon, was not among them. Then he took a short candle from his pocket and blew away enough ash from the banked coals in the fireplace to light the wick. He always liked to see the people he killed, after if he could not during. He had especially enjoyed those two Aes Sedai in the Stone of Tear. The incredulity on their faces when he appeared out of thin air, the horror when they realized he had not come to save them, were treasured memories. That had been Isam, not him, but the memories were none the less prized for that. Neither of them got to kill an Aes Sedai very often.

For a moment he studied the faces of the man and woman on the bed, then pinched out the candle's flame and returned the candle to his pocket before stepping back into Tel'aran'rhiod.

His patron of the moment was waiting for him. A man, he was sure of that much, but Luc could not look at him. It was not as it was with those slimy Gray Men, whom you just did not notice. He had killed one of them, once, in the White Tower itself. They felt cold and empty to the touch. It had been like killing a corpse. No, this man had done something with the Power so Luc's eyes slid away from him like water sliding down glass. Even seen at the corner of the eye, he was a blur.

"The pair sleeping in this room will sleep forever," Luc said, "but the man was bald, the woman gray."

"A pity," the man said, and the voice seemed to melt in Luc's ears. He would not be able to recognize it if he heard it without the disguise. The man had to be one of the Chosen. Few save the Chosen knew how to reach him, and none of the men among those few could channel, or would have dared trying to command him. His services were always begged, except by the Great Lord himself, and more recently by the Chosen, but none of the Chosen Luc had met had ever taken such precautions as this.


It's clear to me that this passage takes Slayer out of the equation completely. He tells us:

1. That he's killed AS and Grey Men, but doesn't think of one of the Chosen, despite the fact that killing AS was a rare thing!

2. That he cannot use TAR the same way as one of the FS.

3. We see that he doesn't have some magical sense on his victims since he killed the wrong people and didn't know it until he took a good look at them.

4. That he has not met all of the Chosen, he qualifies his statement to "of the Chosen he had met"
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2587 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1336 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 724 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1138 Views
It's not really obvious... - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1073 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 986 Views
Far-fetched, IMO - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1428 Views
very well said *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 746 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1124 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1221 Views
Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1089 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1125 Views
The point is... - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1165 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1217 Views
As is Slayer - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1070 Views
There is no evidence of this at all - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1050 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1025 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1049 Views
I disagree. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1159 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1115 Views
I think this is your interpretation - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1057 Views
Yeah right... - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1149 Views
See my replies above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 940 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 939 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 911 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1260 Views
We often see... - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1117 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1196 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1210 Views
Agreed *NM* - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 671 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1052 Views
Well... - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1110 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1115 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1054 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1103 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1047 Views
common sense? - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1059 Views
See my posts above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1078 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1220 Views
No... - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1141 Views
let's try this another way - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1130 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1052 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1092 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1192 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1245 Views
RJ used the expression... - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1034 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1140 Views
Re: No... - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1012 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1088 Views
Couple of questions - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1113 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 964 Views
Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1086 Views
Re: Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 981 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1000 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1054 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1153 Views
We've seen it done. - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 997 Views
Not the same thing - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 979 Views
Re: Couple of questions - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1146 Views
As said... - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1092 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 560 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1104 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1086 Views
But look... - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1111 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1009 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1076 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1079 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1136 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 998 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1070 Views
??? - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1044 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1068 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 844 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1008 Views
Re: Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 971 Views
LOL!! - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 811 Views
Too much? - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1068 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1190 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 680 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 892 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1098 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1301 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 807 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1229 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1021 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1033 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 995 Views
Doesn't make sense - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1037 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 967 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 681 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1078 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 980 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1057 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1021 Views
Well, I don't think so. - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1047 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1114 Views
Again... - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1113 Views
Taking things NO - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1081 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 920 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 918 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 977 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 928 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 973 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 927 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 669 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 865 Views
I'm relieved then... - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 872 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1004 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1106 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1046 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 971 Views
That's always been my theory too - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1073 Views
*nods* - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1090 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1003 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 957 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1006 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 990 Views
That is simply false. - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1051 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1102 Views
Of course, it is false - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1020 Views
Here are the quotes - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 950 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 667 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 880 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 527 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 720 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1052 Views
Well... - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1046 Views
Logic - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1008 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1001 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 693 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1109 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 969 Views
That reminds me... - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 994 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1036 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 985 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1078 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1025 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 985 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1060 Views
That are just semantics - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1138 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1016 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 982 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1059 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1111 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1072 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1058 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1145 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 900 Views
um no it's not - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 988 Views
It's told after that... - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 952 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1102 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1029 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1028 Views
Ah, whatever... - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 933 Views
We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 998 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1076 Views
LMAO - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1457 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1013 Views

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