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Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM
You can see the precursor to balefire being generated whether you are a male or a female. If you are a male channeler, you do not see flows of saidar used to create the effect, and if you are a female channeler you would not see flows of saidin used to create the effect. Whether or not you see it being woven depends on your gender - Moiraine, was walking forward and largely escaped notice until she had set her flows and balefire began to form in front of her.

For example, non-channelers see lightning whether or not a male or female channeler created it, but they do not see the weaves, because the effect is generated by the weave itself.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2866 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1554 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 836 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1392 Views
It's not really obvious... - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1298 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1245 Views
Far-fetched, IMO - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1672 Views
very well said *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 866 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1370 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1461 Views
Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1318 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1347 Views
The point is... - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1405 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1458 Views
As is Slayer - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1334 Views
There is no evidence of this at all - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1278 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1248 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1288 Views
I disagree. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1394 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1348 Views
I think this is your interpretation - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1306 Views
Yeah right... - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1396 Views
See my replies above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1184 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1177 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1162 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1501 Views
We often see... - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1363 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1436 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1444 Views
Agreed *NM* - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 784 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1299 Views
Well... - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1356 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1380 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1299 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1352 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1320 Views
common sense? - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1295 Views
See my posts above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1313 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1474 Views
No... - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1355 Views
let's try this another way - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1374 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1288 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1374 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1431 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1499 Views
RJ used the expression... - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1278 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1399 Views
Re: No... - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1284 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1350 Views
Couple of questions - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1372 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1200 Views
Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1327 Views
Re: Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1198 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1223 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1311 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1381 Views
We've seen it done. - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1222 Views
Not the same thing - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1239 Views
Re: Couple of questions - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1391 Views
As said... - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1347 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 683 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1341 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1316 Views
But look... - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1346 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1258 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1314 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1341 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1360 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1227 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1306 Views
??? - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1273 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1326 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 1095 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1221 Views
Re: Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1222 Views
LOL!! - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 1044 Views
Too much? - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1317 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1414 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 794 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 1109 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1346 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1545 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 1061 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1561 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1254 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1255 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1229 Views
Doesn't make sense - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1286 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1178 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 807 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1321 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1258 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1289 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1256 Views
Well, I don't think so. - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1281 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1332 Views
Again... - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1342 Views
Taking things NO - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1313 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 1143 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 1150 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1225 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1189 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1197 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1154 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 789 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 1093 Views
I'm relieved then... - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 1101 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1241 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1427 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1269 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1195 Views
That's always been my theory too - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1293 Views
*nods* - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1311 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1224 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1205 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1224 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1212 Views
That is simply false. - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1285 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1403 Views
Of course, it is false - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1274 Views
Here are the quotes - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1213 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 783 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 1126 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 650 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 856 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1292 Views
Well... - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1254 Views
Logic - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1221 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1215 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 822 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1320 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1209 Views
That reminds me... - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1231 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1261 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1214 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1337 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1264 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1548 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1313 Views
That are just semantics - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1355 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1234 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1240 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1290 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1331 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1300 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1364 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1378 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 1134 Views
um no it's not - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1226 Views
It's told after that... - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1193 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1344 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1243 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1257 Views
Ah, whatever... - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1185 Views
We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1218 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1322 Views
LMAO - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1693 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1231 Views

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