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Re: Well... darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM
It's quite telling that Slayer offers to try again killing Rand, though he must be aware that Rand won't still be in a situation like in Far Madding. We also saw Slayer attacking other strong channelers, e.g. Nynaeve. The key is simply timing, surprise and a quick deadly weapon (like a bolt/knife with posion). Since RJ said, that Fain would have managed to kill Asmo in this scene, Slayer as an asssassin could do it even more likely. Besides that, BS said there was a scene in TSR, which was cut from the book, that had told more about Slayer's powers. This might indicate that Slayer is more lethal than you believe. Of course, RJ is very aware of what Slayer can do, thus it's obvious to him.


It's even more telling how he approached the killing. He waited until his mark was asleep in a city where he could not channel. As for his attacking other powerful channelers... aside from proving completely non-lethal, he also attacked Nynaeve by surprise, yet she (while blocked no less) survived with ease.

Fain is a totally different animal so I don't think holding up a comparison there is very accurate. We know Fain has varied and growing powers, the only actual power we know Slayer possesses is his ability to enter TAR. There have been hints that he may have others, but so far he seems like a Warder who can enter TAR at will.

That's absurd. If one of them hires Slayer to kill the strongest channeler on earth in WH, that means after Rand proved that he can take out the strongest Forsaken, they certainly wouldn't think that Slayer can't take the weakest Forsaken Asmo.


Again, they hire Slayer to kill Rand under specific circumstances when the man can't channel!

Again, if Fain would have managed it, then Slayer could do it as well. Asmo wasn't prepared at all to met his killer, had idle thoughts on his mind, a harp in his hands and was then completely surprised and scared to met his killer in this place. If you then hit him with a quick deadly weapon, Asmo has no chance.


You are over reliant on this quote. Just because Fain could do it doesn't mean anything in regards to Slayer.

It was more complex than that.


I disagree. I think you've made this whole scene needlessly complex. RJ's surprise at the fan reactions speaks volumes to me. It's clear that he had no intention of making this a larger plot driver, he just needed to clear Asmo out of the way, so he did it as practically an afterthought! Creating an elaborate back story makes no sense.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2620 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1364 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 736 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1166 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1105 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1018 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 661 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 625 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1166 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1459 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 761 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1152 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1247 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1116 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1158 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1194 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1248 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1099 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1083 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1054 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1077 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1191 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1146 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1091 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1179 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 973 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 969 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 940 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1296 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1149 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1230 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1240 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 687 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1082 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1159 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1147 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1084 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1136 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1086 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1090 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1107 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1250 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1170 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1160 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1081 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1166 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1223 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1285 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1068 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1170 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1043 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1116 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1143 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 994 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1117 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1009 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1032 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1088 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1180 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1033 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1009 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1176 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1123 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 575 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1136 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1120 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1142 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1040 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1114 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1113 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1169 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1030 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1101 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1116 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1077 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1101 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 873 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1035 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1005 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1052 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1026 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 844 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1098 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1221 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 694 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 928 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1130 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1331 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 838 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1262 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1052 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1062 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1025 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1067 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1000 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 653 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 694 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1110 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1050 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 658 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1132 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 748 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1013 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1085 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1056 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1074 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1146 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1142 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1114 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 951 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 952 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1007 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 960 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1005 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 964 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 684 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 894 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 899 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1036 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1153 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1075 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1003 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1106 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1123 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1035 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 989 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1036 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1021 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1081 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1130 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1052 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 981 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 682 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 914 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 540 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 733 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1079 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1077 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1038 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1028 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 705 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1139 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 999 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1026 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1070 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1018 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1108 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1063 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1045 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1094 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1168 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1049 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1014 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1093 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1141 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1099 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1107 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1179 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 931 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1019 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 982 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1134 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1066 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1056 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 983 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1028 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1106 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1488 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1042 Views
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