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Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM
But there are actually no clues regarding Graendal in the first 4 books, since Graendal isn't even really mentioned there.


RJ has never implied that there are clues in the first four books as to who killed Asmodean. Why on earth would there be? Asmodean was only captured in book 4. Is Graendal supposed to be thinking about killing Asmodean in book 1 while Rand is drinking from the Eye of the World? That's crazy stuff.

Book 5 established four Forsaken of principle importance (apart from Moghedien who had an altercation with Nynaeve). They were Lanfear, Rahvin, Sammael and Graendal. Lanfear and Rahvin died, and that left Sammael and Graendal as the principle murderers. RJ then provides several conversations where they discuss Asmodean. That's real evidence. What's Slayer got... the statement that he's the Shadow's assassin? Does that mean he killed Adeleas and Tylin too? C'mon.


In a 2003 CoT book tour interview:

He also said that the guy used only clues that were available in the first five books to do it. He then thought for a moment and said he may have used one or two things from later books.

Logically that really only means TSR and TFoH and maybe LoC and TPoD would contain clues since Asmodean didn't even appear until TSR I find it hard to believe RJ would have planted clues to a death before a character even appeared in the series!

and as far back as 1998 he said this:


Asmodean is, and I quote, roadkill. And he still claims there are many indirect clues from The Fires of Heaven on about who killed him. He also claims that very, very few of the fan letters he gets are correct about it.

IMO this completely eliminates Slayer since the character never even gets brought up in TFoH!
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2803 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1494 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 801 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1293 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1231 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1174 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 743 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 705 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1300 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1601 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 836 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1306 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1403 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1257 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1283 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1339 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1389 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1268 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1207 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1193 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1225 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1340 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1289 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1223 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1339 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1129 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1118 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1091 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1440 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1288 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1380 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1378 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 749 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1235 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1299 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1295 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1214 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1279 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1234 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1234 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1249 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1411 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1294 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1294 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1213 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1314 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1361 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1443 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1215 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1328 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1202 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1280 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1295 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1132 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1258 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1128 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1161 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1227 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1323 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1160 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1171 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1326 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1256 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 644 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1277 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1258 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1267 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1184 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1241 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1269 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1294 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1174 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1240 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1257 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1210 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1246 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 1015 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1162 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1155 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1187 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1156 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 978 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1240 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1348 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 766 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 1051 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1255 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1481 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 971 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1392 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1190 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1187 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1165 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1202 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1114 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 712 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 770 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1235 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1201 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 717 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1263 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 813 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1189 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1221 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1194 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1213 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1275 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1284 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1244 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 1076 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 1075 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1140 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1111 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1126 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1086 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 748 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 1030 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 1039 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1170 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1359 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1208 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1129 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1241 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1243 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1157 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1128 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1168 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1150 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1220 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1290 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1203 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1137 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 746 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 1051 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 616 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 803 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1204 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1187 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1150 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1156 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 774 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1261 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1140 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1156 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1197 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1143 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1254 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1200 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1348 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1232 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1290 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1171 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1157 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1223 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1267 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1231 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1300 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1313 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 1054 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1146 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1113 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1258 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1184 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1200 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1123 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1155 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1259 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1608 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1168 Views
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